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So after not be allowed to go into the Schofield Barracks Commissary a few weeks ago due to wearing slightly factory 'frayed' shorts (not ripped, torn, etc). I have determined that there is a very loose interpretation of the Civilian Clothing policies, giving me the opinion that it’s completely at the courtesy patrol's discretion aka "I'll uphold the policy on whomever I want, but my friends can surely go in dressed inappropriately." My closet is filled with clothing bought at the military exchange and I have come to the determination that my clothing will probably never be acceptable. In other words, it is sold by the military exchange and has factory frayed, cut-off/ripped edges as done to nearly all clothes sold to women my age. To assure you I am not lying, I went to the Army Exchange website and pulled off a few examples of women's shorts on there (see picture). While this policy does not affect me much because I hardly ever shop at the commissary (I seldom cook), I know it does affect some families and cause unnecessary stress. (NOTE: The examples given and posted around post do not match what the policy actually states! Legal deniability?)
I not so secretly want to make a bunch of posters of a variety of satire (and possibly true) reponses concerning these policies, and put them all over base. But I won’t. However, I’m sorry if this post entices someone to do something in this regards. Anyways while I was brainstorming my mental rebellion, I came up with some reponses that I thought I would share.
1. “Was not allowed in the PX wearing clothes I bought at the PX…”
2. “(Soldier) now buys clothes off amazon in order to enter the PX to buy clothes to wear in the PX”
3. “I have not had a home cooked meal in months due to not being allowed in the commissary…been eating at Popeye’s and gained 30lbs”
4. (Based off #3) “Help fight American Obesity, rescind Military Civilian Clothing policies!”
5. “Couldn’t buy the new APFT uniform, my money was spent on ‘appropriate’ clothing so my wife could go shopping”
6. “I can’t go in! Why? It’s not my fault! My dog chewed holes in them!”
7. CP: “Ma’am, you can’t come in your child’s clothing is dirty”
Mother “My son is 6-months old…he drools...”
Anyone have something to add to this list?
And on a more serious note, should we be concerned about the effect these policies are having on military families? What can be done when you are denied entry when dressed appropriately?
I not so secretly want to make a bunch of posters of a variety of satire (and possibly true) reponses concerning these policies, and put them all over base. But I won’t. However, I’m sorry if this post entices someone to do something in this regards. Anyways while I was brainstorming my mental rebellion, I came up with some reponses that I thought I would share.
1. “Was not allowed in the PX wearing clothes I bought at the PX…”
2. “(Soldier) now buys clothes off amazon in order to enter the PX to buy clothes to wear in the PX”
3. “I have not had a home cooked meal in months due to not being allowed in the commissary…been eating at Popeye’s and gained 30lbs”
4. (Based off #3) “Help fight American Obesity, rescind Military Civilian Clothing policies!”
5. “Couldn’t buy the new APFT uniform, my money was spent on ‘appropriate’ clothing so my wife could go shopping”
6. “I can’t go in! Why? It’s not my fault! My dog chewed holes in them!”
7. CP: “Ma’am, you can’t come in your child’s clothing is dirty”
Mother “My son is 6-months old…he drools...”
Anyone have something to add to this list?
And on a more serious note, should we be concerned about the effect these policies are having on military families? What can be done when you are denied entry when dressed appropriately?
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SGT (Join to see) , see I'm telling you we need to dress up in an evening gown and suit and tie to go to the commissary! Or some ridiculous outfits that clearly aren't against the policy. Can't you see me wearing this to go shopping? haha
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I think the dress would be awesome if you could play it like you were royalty and the CP as a simpleton lol. btw was it shorts #1 or #2 - because number 2 is just party in the USA haha.
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SGT Kristin Wiley
haha yes! My shorts were closer to #1, but the edges weren't frayed, the pockets were.
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1st Lt Padre Dave Poedel
Well, depending on you, the dress is a little low-cut......just saying.....<smirk>
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I agree that this CP situation is getting out of hand. I took a Soldier to a Soldier of the Year board. During the weeklong event we were out doing a ruck to a range, followed by an obstacle course. We took a break for lunch and were driven to the DFAC. Across the street was a shoppette. After chow we went across the street to get some Gatorade and snacks because he still had day land nav and night land nav coming. An LT and SFC on CP told us we could not go into the shoppette because we had dirty uniforms on. Now mind you we were not covered head to toe in mud or anything. Just generally dirty from a 6 mile ruck, laying in the dirt at the range and the obstacle course. It took some convincing but they finally let us in. It is crazy that we were in our prescribed military uniforms on a Saturday doing our jobs and could not go into a place meant to serve just Soldiers.
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SGT Kristin Wiley
Same reason I don't care about female hair regs. After two days in the field, do you really think our hair is going to be within regs? Only way mine stayed within regs is when I had them braided into cornrows, an interesting look on me.
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7. CP: “Ma’am, you can’t come in your child’s clothing is dirty”
Mother “My son is 6-months old…he drools...”
-- I have a three year old. I can put that kid in freshly-laundered duds, put him in the car, give him a banana, and by the time I make it five miles down the road he will somehow have morphed into Pig Pen. G-d help the CP who tells me I can't use the commissary because my kid's clothes are a little dirty.
Mother “My son is 6-months old…he drools...”
-- I have a three year old. I can put that kid in freshly-laundered duds, put him in the car, give him a banana, and by the time I make it five miles down the road he will somehow have morphed into Pig Pen. G-d help the CP who tells me I can't use the commissary because my kid's clothes are a little dirty.
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SGT Kristin Wiley
Military Child and His Mom Refused Entry Into Commissary Because of Kids Attire - Army Wife 101
As I am scrolling through my Google News Alerts yesterday I am caught and baffled by the story of military wife Laura Carothers a Navy wife living in Hawaii. Recently Laura like so many of us went to her local...
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SSG (Join to see)
Reminds me of a major I was in line with while demobilizing from a deployment in 2003. Some SFC admin type came out andyelled at us like recruits (at the time the major was near retirement) and I was an E-5 with 10 years in service, and I was hardly alone in that line. The major turned to me after the SFC left and said had that SFC treated a returning SF unit like that, the unit would have killed the SFC (and the major was not exaggerating- if he'd been with an SF unit at that time, I think the major would have killed the SFC himself).
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That would be a letter to my Senator- I wonder what Elizabeth Warren would make of it?
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SSG (ret) William Martin
I want to ask this, what could the CP do if he refuse admittance of a child into the PX who was wearing active wear, and the mother said, "we're going in, you can call the MPs if you like"? I am an MP and that would be a low priority complaint. We are not going to rush in and when I got there I would tell the CP its a unit issue, deal with it but you have to get the woman's information and she certainly is not obligated to release personal information. Also according to that article the mother came back to the commissary and witnessed other people in workout gear so its a double standard. I would have gone back to the CP and ask him or her why was okay for some and not for others.
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Hey Sgt, I picked up your new PX/Commisary clothes.
Seriously if you're experiencing issues, file an ice complaint. Again and again.
Also read post policy on what can and can't be worn. You may just have an over zealous patrol but they may also still be "in the right". Unfortunately they may be adhering to post policy. They're usually pretty rediculious.
Hey Sgt, I picked up your new PX/Commisary clothes.
Seriously if you're experiencing issues, file an ice complaint. Again and again.
Also read post policy on what can and can't be worn. You may just have an over zealous patrol but they may also still be "in the right". Unfortunately they may be adhering to post policy. They're usually pretty rediculious.
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I got corrected by a civilian doctor the other day when I went to the hospital in civilian clothes since I was off duty (I called prior and they said civis were fine) I was wearing shorts above my knee and he said I could'nt be in there cause shorts above the knee were considered undergarments. I then pulled out AR 670-1 on my phone and found no mention of this. I think is out of control.
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Or better yet! If they say anything you could say something like "oh couldn't make it through Ranger School huh?"
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