Posted on Apr 12, 2014
SSG Robert Burns
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Head shaving
So I was in basic training land today to help with some medical stuff. I couldn't help but noticed all the shaved heads all over the place and then the females with 20 ft of hair. In an era where we are screaming equal treatment; is this equal?I am also wondering why does a new private have to get his head shaved in the first place? Why not just a haircut within Army Standards?

Have the lines between male and female been erased?  Are they trying to be erased or are we picking and choosing which ones we want to erase? Why does a male soldier have no choice in keeping his hair but a female does? If you love Liberty you will vote below.

ADDED: Could this be considered a form of hazing with the crackdown on hazing since this is obviously not a requirement but more of a tradition? I'm not saying I think it is I'm just asking the question. If it's not required and it doesn't apply to everyone.

*****UPDATED******
Well, well, well what do we have here?
http://www.navytimes.com/story/military/careers/2015/01/08/rtc-boot-camp-haircuts-navy/21439483/
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CPL Any Jim
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Well it's actually a buzz cut , & technically it's against army regulation to shave head bald with razor ..... & Simply put it more , & most simplest to buzz cut males hair ..... Imagine a platoon of basic recruits or a company of recurits , being picky an just lil cut hear & there .... Buzz cut is quickest & most efficient .... & Best way to get back to training - which is solely reason for basic training ( to learn basic soldiering skills ) i.r. weapons , physical training , & first aide ...... When I was in basic an we got our buzz cuts , every 1 was brand new & officially a new recruit ! An at formation after buzz cut , 1 recruit asked can we shave our head bald .... The drill Sargent in charge of formation , said No , & did not eleborate into full detail , but emphasized no one better shave their head .... Well , the 1 solider that asked , did not shave his head at first ! But there was a brand new 18 yo recruit / ROTC high school vet & decide to go above and beyond & immediately shave his head after formation ..... This was a formation with an e-4 college graduate that on final day before graduation was promoted to e-5 , an award a slot at OCS immediately after basic graduation ! There was also prior service , basic recruit in the company - that had airborned in to pananama an was leg wounded & at this time was the last official airborne operation into forgien land ... Also prior service recruit had to go thru basic bc time had overlapsed in amount of time , no basic is needed for prior service ! But this 18 yo decide to go above and beyond & be the only 1 to shave his head .... Well than recruit that asked in formation followed an was only two recruits to shave head .... When 1 drill Sargent found out was pissed , not sure if the two recruits was pulled aside & smoked , or whole platoon was smoked , or no smoking was done an just quick spoken of in formation than that .... Just had two new recruits , that was told they were best of the best in they high school ROTC class & basic would be a breeze to them because they were junior ROTC studs ! Arrogance is dangerous ? Well the drill Sargent that was bald & shaved his head , kept enabling new recruit with shave head , & yah he got chance to go special forces , he runs like a deer yada yada , .... But still gotta get thru basic to get to next course ? Well the 1st recruit started getting sloppy , basic was to easy for him .... On road marches he started going deeper in the woods on breaks , walking where ever he wanted to , talking in formation when ever he wanted .... His aggronance started being more previlant & entitled day by day .... We had live fire , we were last platoon. To go thru .... It was a cool/cold nite in December ..... As we're lining up on live fire to low crawl , either mount broke or had broken before last platoon was to roll out .... He was said to be rt in middle of line , people start mumbling wow this is really really real , this tracers are flying really low ... Sum start moving to front of line like wow this really really low ! Poof pow wow , cease fire cEASE FIRE ! sum 1 has been shot .... everybody Everybody off the live fire range now ! Bam , the 1 lil arrogant ROTC high school stud - shot rt thru the heart - probably most likely was d.e.a.d , before last basic recruit was rushed off live fire range ... Are basic was pretty much shut down after this , but was passed thru basic & sent onto Christmas exodus once final day of basic .... We were never allowed to complete live fire exercise , but stamped a go at basic .... There was no emphasis on first aide either , just received over empathy an a pass .... We even had to stand in formation , when the family of deceased recruit family was flown in and announce his passing to family ? 18 passed away young , & young for ever & a hero & legend - but left every one behind to deal with this event forever ..... 18 years later can say that new recruit chose easy way out an seen an opportunity to be a hero forever , or simply put his arrgonance costed a live sooner than later ' & the sooner was his own life ... Basic is a introduction to miltary system of crawl , walk run .... But there are people that chose they are better than basic an that they are ready to run wild ..... An even simplest thing of a buzz cut is part of the process ! It's like a tuck march : you wanna know the secret to a tuck march ssg burns .... Shhh are you the only 1 listening ; ok , 1 foot in front of another ..... Ok a shaved head , immediately after going to buzz cut formation - was not his immediately passing ; but did lead to aggorance being engulfed by a young 18 year old as invincible ! As a mental health specialist SSG burnd, short term , term & long term how would you feel this could & can affect fellow basic recruits at that time , bc a 18 yo basic recruit wanted to reinvent the basic wheel or just felt basic applied to other recruits but not him ? .....
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PV2 Donna Rabideau
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I was under the impression that it is to help prevent lice and other communicable things that people may have. I mean everyone is coming in from all sorts of places and it makes sense considering lice and other things can't live in a shaved head like that. As far as the females go, I'm not sure why they don't get shaved from the get go, but I do know that besides being professional, the bun also discourages those same things from being transferred easily.
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CW4 David Surles
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Regardless of what any of your commanders, congress, or your parents say, women and men are not equal. Women do not have to sign up for selective service when they turn 18. There are many things that men can not do that women can and vise versa, but actually being equal is just a lie we all tell to ourselves to make everyone feel better.
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Lt Col Squadron Commander
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Uniformity, cleanliness/more hygienic, team culture identity, and ease of maintenance. They can become an individual again in the range of standards after they become part of the team.
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SSG James Peterson
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Having served from the end of Vietnam and into the early 90’s I would say that the haircuts are to establish Esprit de Corp, uniformity and maintain hygiene. Women should not have their haircut. If I remember correctly women are required to keep their hair up and above the shoulder and most women that were in the Army when I was had short hair cut that way to ease wearing their uniform.
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This is dumb. First male hair grows fast and you dont have time to go for a cut every week do bu the time you graduate it will have grown. Second females just have to tie hair back which takes 3 secs. Men are jot allowed long hair to tie back. Im going to stop because as I said this is dumb, we all know the logical reasons. I would expect this question from a 16 year old high school boy thats being difficult.
SSG Brian Carpenter
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Equality across the board. You want equal treatment take equal training. I personally had long "pretty" hair and you bet that the Drills and the Barbers at Ft. Bliss loved every second of watching my reaction to it going to the floor. But HOOAH didn't it make me exactly what I was. A newvpiece of clay to be formed from what had been a paisley civilian lump of coal from the Hillsbof West Virginia, into a lean mean fighting machine lol. But seriously a soldier from that day forward. HOOAH HOOAH HOOAH GO ARMY BEAT NAVY
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SSgt Russell Stevens
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I have been told it started as a measure to prevent lice in the past. The need has lessened but the practice has not. Since lice don't differentiate between male and female then maybe it's time to treat females the same for hair standards in basic training.
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MSgt Biomedical Equipment
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For one thing, unless it has changed, females, had their haircuts in Basic. Not as short as males but definitely not anything like the 20ft exaggerated length amount stated. Also, would not be Reg. Length. Surprisingly, as an experienced medical professional, you should realize Reg. length and for Basic, buzzed hair is best in case of a medical emergency. No hair to get in the way if there's a cut that's just bleeding or worse. The lack of hair expedites the source, type, and treatment.
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SPC John Tacetta
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Although this has been a "rite of passage" at least for males, it has been presented that the rationale behind the shaving was the threat of lice. Men have always been a much larger cohort than women and back in the day women certainly didn't expect to be shaved as that would be an attack on their "femininity". Despite the shaving, there was still an outbreak of "crabs" during my basic class.
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Sgt M Varela
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The Romans required their soldiers to have short hair (in a time when long hair was the norm for men) to disallow the use of their hair for leverage by the enemy. Equal rights means everyone is treated the same in my book. Men and women should have the same PT standards etc. I am was tickled by SSG Woods' comment though. I also agree that it would be a logistical nightmare to give a every recruit a regulation cut. I just wish the politicians would stop trying to dismantle my Corps all the time.
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Sgt Jerry Genesio
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The hygiene argument is moot if females are not required to shave their heads. And if it's about character (re)building, females should insist on equal treatment.
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SSgt Engineering Assistant
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Haha. I just wouldn't have joined if I had to shave my head. I think a lot of females would feel the same. It would be a major recruitment issue.
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SCPO Jeff Conz
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Perhaps I’m old school, but I think it’s a tradition and it should stay one.
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PO3 Robert Contreras
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Donate the females long hair to the organization that makes wigs for cancer victims that lose their hair during treatments.
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1LT Voyle Smith
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I suspect (without researching the subject) that shaving the heads of new recruits was originally intended to reveal the presence of lice. That was a big problem, even in “polite society” in earlier times, thus the practice of wearing white wigs to mask the presence of vermin in a person’s hair. Today it also serves to reduce all recruits to a common denominator, so that no one can be seen to be superior in any way to anyone else.
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CPT William Jones
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Having walked both sides of the rank structure, the one thing I vividly recall after walking out of the room after the 4 swipes with the cutter was how you couldn’t really recognize folks...we all looked the same, in a way, everyone was on an equal playing field and it was our performance that mattered for the next 9 weeks.
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SFC Jerald Bottcher
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When I joined the Army in the 70's, a number of us asked the drill Sergeants (at the end of Basic and still asked in a respectful manner). The answer they gave was 2 reasons. Most important was the prevention of head lice (and there were a couple that did have head lice, they made us powder our bunks with lice powder) The second reason was tradition, kind of to mark the transition from the civilian world to the military world.
We had no gripes as everyone got their head no shaved, just down to the nubs.
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SCPO William Akin
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What's good for the goose is good for the gander, and vice versa
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PFC Shower/Laundry and Clothing Repair Specialist
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Are you kidding me?! Female soldier here. Y’all are required to shave your heads, we are required to have our hair one solid color. During basic at least, because after basic we can all do whatever *within regulation* we want with our hair. I pay good money to keep my hair blonde, even though it’s naturally red. When I arrived to basic, my roots were showing. I was told I had to buy box hair dye (SO bad for your hair) and return to my natural hair color. I did as I was told and didn’t complain about it. Sounds like you men should just shut up and shave your heads, just like us women have to shut up and dye our hair. And quit playing this “what about equality” BS card. Men are not women and women are not men. We have different standards when it comes to certain things because WE ARE NOT THE SAME. this is not to bash one gender or the other Or to play favorites, it’s just truth. Shave your head, dye your hair, it’s 10 weeks long, suck it up and deal with it, then move on with your life.
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