Posted on Apr 12, 2014
Shaved heads in basic training; is this mandatory? If it is, then why and why only for males?
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So I was in basic training land today to help with some medical stuff. I couldn't help but noticed all the shaved heads all over the place and then the females with 20 ft of hair. In an era where we are screaming equal treatment; is this equal?I am also wondering why does a new private have to get his head shaved in the first place? Why not just a haircut within Army Standards?
Have the lines between male and female been erased? Are they trying to be erased or are we picking and choosing which ones we want to erase? Why does a male soldier have no choice in keeping his hair but a female does? If you love Liberty you will vote below.
ADDED: Could this be considered a form of hazing with the crackdown on hazing since this is obviously not a requirement but more of a tradition? I'm not saying I think it is I'm just asking the question. If it's not required and it doesn't apply to everyone.
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Well, well, well what do we have here?
http://www.navytimes.com/story/military/careers/2015/01/08/rtc-boot-camp-haircuts-navy/21439483/
Have the lines between male and female been erased? Are they trying to be erased or are we picking and choosing which ones we want to erase? Why does a male soldier have no choice in keeping his hair but a female does? If you love Liberty you will vote below.
ADDED: Could this be considered a form of hazing with the crackdown on hazing since this is obviously not a requirement but more of a tradition? I'm not saying I think it is I'm just asking the question. If it's not required and it doesn't apply to everyone.
*****UPDATED******
Well, well, well what do we have here?
http://www.navytimes.com/story/military/careers/2015/01/08/rtc-boot-camp-haircuts-navy/21439483/
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I think it is safe to say it is easier if males get their head shaved in BCT. Once their hair gets too long and is out of regs, there is no way to fix it besides getting it cut again. We all remember how busy we were in BCT. It seems to help eliminate them being out of regs more often in my opinion. Females if their hair is getting too long to where it is out of regs, they can put it up. Females can always fix their hair on the spot, a male can't really do that. That's how i see the whole situation anyways.
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SSG (Join to see)
Once out of BCT soldiers get more free time, which is why usually in AIT males can get what haircut they want. Not sure about other places but that was the case for my company.
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Females aren't going to just give up their femininity. Especially the ones who have worked for months to get their hair just so.
So go ahead and grumble and gripe. Not going to change anything.
So go ahead and grumble and gripe. Not going to change anything.
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SPC (Join to see)
The beginning debate of this running commentary is geared towards females with long hair/why don't they have to shave their heads, too.
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SPC David Beam
I don't even know what to say to that. What army are you in? It doesn't seem like the same one I am a soldier in. I have so many angry, hateful responses on the tip of my tongue right now... but that would not be professional. Are you familiar with that term? *sigh* Everything about your post is disgraceful.
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Equal rights are always tied to equal responsabilities. One can't have one without the other. If they are not in balance then it is favoritism or punishment. Equal civil rights demand equal rights and equal responsabilities, positive or negative.
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The best explanation I've heard is that it is the first military ritual of "I am part of something bigger than myself." I think there is merit in that. But it's hair. It grows back (for most of us).
Until males and females must meet exactly the same standards, the equality between the sexes is a myth.
Until males and females must meet exactly the same standards, the equality between the sexes is a myth.
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The idea of shaving a recruit's head is to break down the cult of the individual and make everyone look and feel the same. Then the training rebuilds the individual with common behaviors and skills that build them into a team. This is not, and never has been, "An Army of One". It's a team.
And yes, I think the shaved head should apply to everyone, men and women.
And yes, I think the shaved head should apply to everyone, men and women.
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I'm trying to understand why this is even a discussion. Shaved heads? Really? Trivial B.S. My retired opinion.
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Men and women are NOT going to be equal. People vying for that are ignoring human biology and development. I was a Medic during my time in the Army.
There are different standards including PT. Men tend to have more upper body strength and endurance. Women tend to have better lower body/legs strength and endurance. They can tolerate pain better than we can.
I shave my head sometimes but it takes far longer. In BCT when there is over 200 people waiting efficiency is key. A woman who cuts her hair shorter(not a boy cut) before BCT is doing a good thing. We have an image to uphold. The Army doesn't see skin color like so many. There is Army Green. Rank is the definer as well as personal merit. Of course, officers are called "Sir" and "Ma'am" and that's common sense.
The cut along with many other things is part of a transition from civilian to solder. I've been out for some years and don't care if my head is shaved or trimmed. A woman's hair tends to be a defining characteristic. In our Class A's you can easily see the difference in a male and female soldier.
In conclusion, should shaving heads be required for everyone? Yes. Those of you who know how BCT is and with so little downtime, females must have their hair up unless they are showering or sleeping. Shaving removes almost all of the hair and allows for a new, healthy growth of head hair and greatly reduces the chance for lice. It's uncommon to see a woman with a shaved head like that unless they are of a particular stereotype.
BCT runs roughly just over 2 months. Hair grows roughly 1/2" a month on average. Trimming a female's hair in BCT would take much longer. I would have the female show up for an inspection a few days before going to MEPS.
There are different standards including PT. Men tend to have more upper body strength and endurance. Women tend to have better lower body/legs strength and endurance. They can tolerate pain better than we can.
I shave my head sometimes but it takes far longer. In BCT when there is over 200 people waiting efficiency is key. A woman who cuts her hair shorter(not a boy cut) before BCT is doing a good thing. We have an image to uphold. The Army doesn't see skin color like so many. There is Army Green. Rank is the definer as well as personal merit. Of course, officers are called "Sir" and "Ma'am" and that's common sense.
The cut along with many other things is part of a transition from civilian to solder. I've been out for some years and don't care if my head is shaved or trimmed. A woman's hair tends to be a defining characteristic. In our Class A's you can easily see the difference in a male and female soldier.
In conclusion, should shaving heads be required for everyone? Yes. Those of you who know how BCT is and with so little downtime, females must have their hair up unless they are showering or sleeping. Shaving removes almost all of the hair and allows for a new, healthy growth of head hair and greatly reduces the chance for lice. It's uncommon to see a woman with a shaved head like that unless they are of a particular stereotype.
BCT runs roughly just over 2 months. Hair grows roughly 1/2" a month on average. Trimming a female's hair in BCT would take much longer. I would have the female show up for an inspection a few days before going to MEPS.
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MSgt Joseph Holness
"Men and women are NOT going to be equal. People vying for that are ignoring human biology and development. "...….THANK YOU! BEST POST of the Century!
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I came on active duty in September of 1978, right when the Army officially phased out the WAC (Women's Army Corps). I went through the first co-ed basic training at Fort Jackson, SC, Co A, 4th Battalion, 1st Infantry (A-4-1) and remember Tank Hill "fondly"...about fifty recruits in our company were from Puerto Rico and did not speak English and the MAJOR concern was would they make it to the end (one did not, because of violence issues [female, not male]) and through BRM (Basic Rifle Marksmanship). I had already cut my hair before basic because it was going to be a hassle having to deal with doing what you have to do with long hair to be compliant with Army regulation and because THERE WAS NO TIME!! I can look back on all that with a smile on my face, but at the time, there were no smiles!! The military already shows equality in pay - everyone can see who makes what at each pay grade by number of years. In civilian life, good luck. What your co-worker makes in wages is a virtual trade secret. Speaking from "experience," men and women are two physically different creatures. Yes, some women can push the limits of physical strengths as some men - but not all. It's also not the physical part that's important, but also the mental. Mental toughness is the true test. Working with what you have to do what you've go to do to accomplish the mission is the utmost. Basic training was designed to "weed out" those that can't make "the cut." (Pun intended.) In the grand scheme of things in the universe, does it really matter if a woman shaves her head bald? Can she deal with it? Probably. Some won't, but they won't be in the military. Will there ever be "equality" between men and women? Probably. Probably not. It's not a race. It's not a competition. I could care less that you can run 2 miles in under 8 minutes or that you can bench press 300 pounds. That's not the true test. The true test is with your mind.
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CPT William Jones
I was riding with you until the last couple of lines. That physical stuff is important is several MOS that are now available Infantry can you haul a very heavy pack several days and while doing so drag a wounded buddy to safety, or Arty load a larger number id rounds and load them, same with tanks as a loader. etc
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I suppose if you're going to nit pick and whine this is as good a subject as any.
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A shaved head makes for faster grooming in the morning. I am not going to way in on the females, except that it didn't bother me 31 years ago, and it doesn't bother me today. Why should it bother anyone else. If it is not an issue of you getting shot, sick or injured, then leave it alone!
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By TRADOC policy, the Army does not shave heads - .the haircut, however is very short. There are two reasons for this: (1) amongst males, this marks the beginning of the transition from civilian to soldier (2) training schedules are full enough without having to bustle Privates off to the barber every week or so for a touch up. Accordingly, haircuts are short, thus minimizing training interruptions courtesy of going to the barber.
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As I read the question: "Shaved heads in basic training: is this mandatory? If it is, then why, and why only for males?" I had to wonder if this question was asked by a civilian. I was shocked to see it asked by a SSG in the Army. Really?
First, I don't know if the current Army regulation on standards of wearing the United States Army uniform, i.e., 'dress code' is still USA Reg 670-1, but it used to be the equivalent to the Air Force's AFR 35-10, which I've learned is now Air Force Instruction 36-2903, Dress & Personal Appearance of Air Force Personnel. [https://www.thebalancecareers.com/air-force-grooming-standards-hair-regulations-3331703]
What I do know is, [male] Basic Training recruits have had their heads shaved for several reasons: one reason, and perhaps the ONLY reason we need to discuss, is that every military branch takes a recruit, and physically, mentally, and sometimes spiritually, breaks them down during this indoctrination and training phase. Whatever physical or mental part(s) of the recruit that is/are seen as 'undesirable', or 'unnecessary' is removed, and replaced with whichever standards the specific training curriculum deems appropriate. It's part of the transition from a civilian to that of a Soldier, Airman, Marine, or Seaman.
Secondly, the rationalization of shaving a man's head as a recruit is this fundamental reason:
you go into Basic as a know-nothing, get-your-shit-together recruit. 'Shape up, or ship out'. You are taken out of your comfort zone, your physical persona broken down, and you become part of something great. You are given standards and treated equally to every other recruit, and if you pass Basic Training, you will become a part of the whole. Before a trainee can transition from the recruit to the full-fledged servicemember they have to leave their identity at the Military Entrance Processing Station (MEPS) they took their Oath of Enlistment at. You will be taken out of your civilian clothing and be given appropriate military attire. You will be taught and reminded how to dress properly, how/where/when to wear a hat, and probably with a bit of 'face time' with your Drill Instructor. You will be trained to look like your fellow trainees [uniformity], and to work/train in synchronization with them [conformity] as you learn combat skills, and core values.
Basic Training isn't meant to coddle anyone, and if you think that the military way of life is going to change based on *your* wants and desires, you should ring the quitting bell, or hand in your training slip, and get back on a bus home. If a recruit doesn't like the training standards at their Basic Training facility, I suggest they contact their Recruiter. For Army recruits, they can contact the United States Military Entrance Processing Command
2834 Green Bay Road
North Chicago, IL 60064-309
[http://www.mepcom.army.mil/]
(Let me know how that works for ya.)
The reason female recruits don't get their heads shaved is not an equality/inequality issue. It's because the goal for ALL recruits, and later personnel, is to uphold standards of 'conservative' grooming, and the standards are based on one's gender: male or female. All men will be held to one standard, all females to one standard. Again, I say this is not meant as a equality/inequality issue, rather it's the proverbial "two sides to every coin" in action.
If one truly believes that all aspects of [civilian/military] Life will be equal and fair for all men and women, I am not going to dissuade you of your belief. We can categorize it in the same file as Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny, and unicorns.
First, I don't know if the current Army regulation on standards of wearing the United States Army uniform, i.e., 'dress code' is still USA Reg 670-1, but it used to be the equivalent to the Air Force's AFR 35-10, which I've learned is now Air Force Instruction 36-2903, Dress & Personal Appearance of Air Force Personnel. [https://www.thebalancecareers.com/air-force-grooming-standards-hair-regulations-3331703]
What I do know is, [male] Basic Training recruits have had their heads shaved for several reasons: one reason, and perhaps the ONLY reason we need to discuss, is that every military branch takes a recruit, and physically, mentally, and sometimes spiritually, breaks them down during this indoctrination and training phase. Whatever physical or mental part(s) of the recruit that is/are seen as 'undesirable', or 'unnecessary' is removed, and replaced with whichever standards the specific training curriculum deems appropriate. It's part of the transition from a civilian to that of a Soldier, Airman, Marine, or Seaman.
Secondly, the rationalization of shaving a man's head as a recruit is this fundamental reason:
you go into Basic as a know-nothing, get-your-shit-together recruit. 'Shape up, or ship out'. You are taken out of your comfort zone, your physical persona broken down, and you become part of something great. You are given standards and treated equally to every other recruit, and if you pass Basic Training, you will become a part of the whole. Before a trainee can transition from the recruit to the full-fledged servicemember they have to leave their identity at the Military Entrance Processing Station (MEPS) they took their Oath of Enlistment at. You will be taken out of your civilian clothing and be given appropriate military attire. You will be taught and reminded how to dress properly, how/where/when to wear a hat, and probably with a bit of 'face time' with your Drill Instructor. You will be trained to look like your fellow trainees [uniformity], and to work/train in synchronization with them [conformity] as you learn combat skills, and core values.
Basic Training isn't meant to coddle anyone, and if you think that the military way of life is going to change based on *your* wants and desires, you should ring the quitting bell, or hand in your training slip, and get back on a bus home. If a recruit doesn't like the training standards at their Basic Training facility, I suggest they contact their Recruiter. For Army recruits, they can contact the United States Military Entrance Processing Command
2834 Green Bay Road
North Chicago, IL 60064-309
[http://www.mepcom.army.mil/]
(Let me know how that works for ya.)
The reason female recruits don't get their heads shaved is not an equality/inequality issue. It's because the goal for ALL recruits, and later personnel, is to uphold standards of 'conservative' grooming, and the standards are based on one's gender: male or female. All men will be held to one standard, all females to one standard. Again, I say this is not meant as a equality/inequality issue, rather it's the proverbial "two sides to every coin" in action.
If one truly believes that all aspects of [civilian/military] Life will be equal and fair for all men and women, I am not going to dissuade you of your belief. We can categorize it in the same file as Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny, and unicorns.
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if men were allowed to not have their hair shaved, they would spend valuable training time going to the barber. women, in my opinion, don't get their hair cut as often as men.
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CPT William Jones
Bu when they go they spend much more time in the chair,like hour instead of minutes.
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In 75 we got ours (40 or so) straight off the bus, no 180 back log. 20 min and we were on our way to H#ll. :)
As for Girls, I vote shaved.
As for Girls, I vote shaved.
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As stated above. Not practical in BCT for all soldiers to get their haircut of choice. And women have different guidelines altogether. This shouldn’t be an issue.
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We did wear our hair a little longer in the Army of the '80's, but not as long as the VOLAR era of the early to mid 70's. I'm talking about the operational force. In 1981 at BCT the first Hair cut was a scalping but only the first. AIT it was Army standard.
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