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I have been dealing with this a lot. I have seen both ways. As per AR 600–25 the junior person should salute. I see a 1LT senior to a 2LT and I salute them. I have seen many instances where this does not happen. Most see a LT as a LT regardless of being a 1st or 2nd. How do you all feel about this?
"B. All Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled to the salute. Salutes will be exchanged between officers (commissioned and warrant) and enlisted personnel, and with personnel of the Armed Forces of the United States..."
"B. All Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled to the salute. Salutes will be exchanged between officers (commissioned and warrant) and enlisted personnel, and with personnel of the Armed Forces of the United States..."
Officers
Customs and Courtesies
Army
Saluting
AR 600-25
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There have been several references in this thread to the United States of America Marine Corps.
I started out as a Marine.
I distinctly remember a class where it was explained that a prisoner (criminal) was excluded from the privilege of saluting. Privilege.
That simple little thought stayed in my mind throughout my career. It actually brought a tiny piece of joy to my heart to exercise that 'privilege'.
Now, I do not recall the parade rest courtesy being required among the lower enlisted ranks. Sure do when you're referring to NCO's and even when the 1Sgt or SMaj were friends of mine off duty, I participated in that custom in semi and formal occasions, most especially in front of troops and officers. I required it of my soldiers too. Most generally followed by a quick 'at ease'.
What is so hard about this?
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SFC Benjamin Parsons
I also recall a Marine SSg explaining to our platoon that 2 & 1 Lts exchanged salutes at the beginning of their days and that took care of it. Don't have a clue if that was true or not, but I bought it at the time.
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Sir, The bottom line is the regulation REQUIRES us to render a salute. I believe it is okay to question why some rules are out there; however, we must still follow the rule until it is changed. We cannot be a force that picks and chooses the rules we want to follow.
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What is the big deal about raising your arm and rendering a salute? If you are deployed in a forward combat environment, do not salute; If you are in a garrison environment, render a sharp salute. By doing this you honor Our military traditions, your fellow Officers, and yourself. This the nature of exemplifying the Discipline of a professional Soldier, like maintaining a good shave in the field, miles from fresh water.
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I guess this is one of the many differences between branches of service. Why is this even a question? How about tradition, how about, because your supposed to salute your superiors. A PFC has seniority over a private, they are both boots and don't know jack, BUT one has a senior role. If boot lieutenants don't salute its disrespectful to the uniform, tradition, history and the service as a whole. Discipline is Instant willingness obedience to orders, respect for authority and self reliance. That's what my DI's taught me. Sounds like a bunch beer drinking frat boys that slipped through OCS to me. Pathetic. I had some dumb-ass Lt's.. but I snapped a salute because i earned the right to be there, not because they deserved it.
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The junior officer should initiate the salute and hold it until such time the senior officer returns the salute.
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The junior officer should salute the senior office and hold it until it's returned...... that's how it was when I was in the Navy.... but things have changed, and not necessarily for the best....
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In the Army, strictly speaking, yes, in practice, it depends on the installation. Though the old 'joke' about Lieutenants is that seniroity among them is like chastity among harlots - course I know, but then, it fits. I was commissioned in March of 1993 and was senior (by date of rank) to most of my fellow Lieutenants at Chemical OBC (9-93) and in my immaturity once locked the heals of a 'sister' officer (also a 2LT). We had a couple of 1LTs in our class and two foreign officers (a Saudi 1LT and a Tai CPT) - we were not compelled to salute our US classmates, the Saudi requested the defference due his rank, and it was a 'no-brainer' for the CPT. Generally speaking, CPT is the first rank where you can routinely expect a salute from LTs - this is NOT the case in the Naval service where traditions, customs, and courtesies are both taught and held to standard.
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It is just a salute. Just do it. It is like a handshake, a wave or other forms of greeting.
If our services are worried about issues like this, we have lost our purpose. E's salute all officers. A junior officer initiates a salute to a senior officer when someone outranks you in any service. I am a retired Naval Officer with 25 years saluting those senior to me and often those of equivalent rank out of respect. I doubt if you will find it anywhere that O1s should not salute O2s in any of the services.
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CW2 Geoff Lachance
Yes, and I'll bet there was a time in your career Sir, when you were promoted while a close buddy was not or vise versa. The respect for the rank was there (salute) and the friendship honored.
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