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I have been dealing with this a lot. I have seen both ways. As per AR 600–25 the junior person should salute. I see a 1LT senior to a 2LT and I salute them. I have seen many instances where this does not happen. Most see a LT as a LT regardless of being a 1st or 2nd. How do you all feel about this?
"B. All Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled to the salute. Salutes will be exchanged between officers (commissioned and warrant) and enlisted personnel, and with personnel of the Armed Forces of the United States..."
"B. All Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled to the salute. Salutes will be exchanged between officers (commissioned and warrant) and enlisted personnel, and with personnel of the Armed Forces of the United States..."
Officers
Customs and Courtesies
Army
Saluting
AR 600-25
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Officers are Officers and as Enlisted personnel we will salute them, no question there. As far as a 2LT saluting a 1LT, OMG, a couple of lieutenants arguing over date of rank, need I say more. I was once a 2LT who got screwed over by a very unscrupulous NCO. My advice, stay with the old tradition of, "no rank among lieutenants". Concentrate on learning your trade as an Officer, 1LT's have the responsibility to teach the new 2LT's the finer points of being an Officer at their first posting, not to fuck them over, as also happened to me. 1LT's know the good NCO's and the bad ones, your responsibility is to help the new 2LT's identify them, and either kick them in the ass and make good Soldiers out of them, or bust their butts out so better ones can take their place. Stop arguing about bullshit baby crap and be leaders.
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MSG Guy Smith
As I review my comment, I want to revise and make sure it's understood what I meant about NCO's. One of the jobs of an Officer is to build his or her team to perform at peak efficiency. To do that, you need good NCO's, 1LT's can help the new 2LT's to identify those individuals. Help the new Officers build up their platoons with good NCO's especially their first Platoon Sergeant. Do NOT, get rid of one of your poor performing NCO's on a new 2LT just because you see an opportunity to do so. And as an Officer if you see that happening to a new 2LT, stop it, and take that 1LT that tried that out behind the nearest building and give them some wall to wall counselling.
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The answer is no. When I was a LT, the response was that rank among LT's is like honor among thieves, there is none. Essentially, LT's of both rank are peers. The only exception would be if the 1LT was the Commander.
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MSG Melvin Miller
What regulation is that from Sir? Discipline and order are essential to your profession. How can a 1LT or a 2LT hold junior personnel to a strict adherence of regulation if they themselves are in violation?
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Not regulation, it is tradition. Also, officers don't wear marksmanship badges even though by reg, they do for the same reason, tradition.
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As long as there is butter on that bar, he better be saluting.
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As for the spirit of the regulation..."when in doubt whip it out" and the junior salutes the senior...There was an "unwritten rule" that when two LT's pass each other, one 2LT and one 1LT...in most cases they didn't salute...in ceremonies, formations, parades and when accompanied by a senior etc...then it would fall back to the regulation...
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Are you serious? This shouldn't even be a question. If one is senior in rank to the other, then a salute is required. Period.
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Do what is required of you. Render the salute. Rank has it privileges. LTC P.
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Absolutely,
I like the trending answer her that saluting is a time honored tradition between warriors. I also liked the short story about the 1LT Company Cdr. I had a couple of those throughout my career and they were no less capable than a CPT.
I like the trending answer her that saluting is a time honored tradition between warriors. I also liked the short story about the 1LT Company Cdr. I had a couple of those throughout my career and they were no less capable than a CPT.
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