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I have been dealing with this a lot. I have seen both ways. As per AR 600–25 the junior person should salute. I see a 1LT senior to a 2LT and I salute them. I have seen many instances where this does not happen. Most see a LT as a LT regardless of being a 1st or 2nd. How do you all feel about this?
"B. All Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled to the salute. Salutes will be exchanged between officers (commissioned and warrant) and enlisted personnel, and with personnel of the Armed Forces of the United States..."
"B. All Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled to the salute. Salutes will be exchanged between officers (commissioned and warrant) and enlisted personnel, and with personnel of the Armed Forces of the United States..."
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Customs and Courtesies
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AR 600-25
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I would refer back to AR 600-25, Customs and Courtesies. Outside of deployment and "sniper checks," at what point is it acceptable to not abide by standards? Is the person senior to you? Yes? Then provide the appropriate recognition until directed otherwise.
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What is funny is that to the enlisted it is very simple as you say. But not with the officers. I was prior service and thought the same way.
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My Detachment SGT is the same rank as me, yet I still stand at PARADE REST for her out of respect, because she is in a position above me. I don't have to, but I do it anyways. I have a bunch of friends that are E7, I still give them the appropriate courtesies. Sounds to me like we are getting too complacent.
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That is so rare to see now a days. I speak to my XO often. He told me something and I told him that he out ranks me. He didn't see it that way as we are both LTs but in the succession of Command he is the next in line. I show respect where it is due.
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Of course. You salute officers who outrank you; regs don't say, "Unless theIr rank sounds like your rank." Lt. Cols salute full birds, right?
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There is a secret rule that there is no rank among LTs. I didn't get that memo or didn't see posted anywhere either. I saluted.
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Here's the issue as a new 2LT from OCS. ROTC cadets are the biggest violators of this from what I've Seen. In addition I've been told that senior officers don't expect LTs saluting LTs, this was an issue in BOLC, my response was this; no one in the U.S. Army outranks the Chief of Staff or the Secretary of the U.S. Army which if you look closely around page 3 of any AR, FM, TM etc they are the approving authority. Furthermore, how do we expect NCOs to do as we say if we don't set the example. That's my two cents.
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We had one 1LT at my BOLC. I saluted him. I was prior service so it made sense to me.
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1LT A. Uribe
CPT (Join to see) the issue with most ROTC cadets is they are used to being friends. Most of them haven't had their feet to the fire in taking things serious.
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1LT A. Uribe I didn't have that issue but when I got back I dealt with it. My XO didn't understand why I kept saluting him.
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I think the junior officer should always salute senior officer. Unless the junior officer wearing purple heart at the time.
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MAJ Chris Ballard
You may be thinking of the Medal of Honor. The Purple Heart does not, on its own, merit a salute.
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Does a 1LT have to salute a CPT? CPT salute a MAJ? So on and so forth. Does a E-4 (SPC stand at parade rest for an E-4 (CPL). The answer is...YES!
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No... The only exception I would say would be when a 1LT is the/their Commander.
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COL Charles Williams
Having been a 2LT, in my units, 2LTs did not salute 1LTs... perhaps it is not the letter of the law, but it is they way I have seen things. (LTs are LTs), LTCs and COLs are not the same, nor are GOs of various grades. This is probably in the unwritten rule category... at least in my experience.
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SSG Paul Lanciault
As long as everyone is reading the same sheet of music. its understood respect is there.
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MSgt John Darchangelo
COL, My answer to you is to read the REG. You would be one of the first to complain about members of the military not following regulations..If you are in the military, follow the REGS or pack out.
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I see a regulation as a regulation. It is regulation for a 2LT to render a proper hand salute to a higher grade officer. And therefore, by regulation, they are required, by such regulation to render a proper and professional military hand salute to any and all passing officers of higher grade, which includes a 1LT. If I have to salute a 2LT, even though I may or may not have more TIS/TIG than they do, then they have to do likewise to their superiors. If they don't like it, then they can resign their commission and make room for an officer that will follow the regs.
*No offense to any 2LTs who have read this. But the virulent lack of acceptance to the Army regs concerning customs and courtesies grates on my nerves.
*No offense to any 2LTs who have read this. But the virulent lack of acceptance to the Army regs concerning customs and courtesies grates on my nerves.
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SGT Francis Wright
Funny; fore the first time I heard it was Basic. From a female Captain. If she is wearing her feelings on her sleeve; she may be in the wrong career field.
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Another exception: Chaplains. If you are a 2LT and see the person is a chaplain, pop the salute as one normally sees the Chaplain's cross, tablets, or crescent moon before you see their rank. Either way, if you're a 2LT and see a chaplain, you salute because you know they outrank you.
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