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I have been dealing with this a lot. I have seen both ways. As per AR 600–25 the junior person should salute. I see a 1LT senior to a 2LT and I salute them. I have seen many instances where this does not happen. Most see a LT as a LT regardless of being a 1st or 2nd. How do you all feel about this?
"B. All Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled to the salute. Salutes will be exchanged between officers (commissioned and warrant) and enlisted personnel, and with personnel of the Armed Forces of the United States..."
"B. All Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled to the salute. Salutes will be exchanged between officers (commissioned and warrant) and enlisted personnel, and with personnel of the Armed Forces of the United States..."
Officers
Customs and Courtesies
Army
Saluting
AR 600-25
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I suppose that LTs would ask this question. Hell, I've known a few that might even quibble over date of rank. I suppose it's the novelty of sudden authority that throws them into such a dither. Bottom line is that yes, of course, 2LT salutes 1LT.
On a more humorous note, I was in OCS before I ever saw my first warrant officer and hesitated in saluting. I should have observed the common wisdom: When in doubt, salute. The poor man simply cried, "My Gawd, don't they teach you bastards anything?" and stalked away.
Obviously, they didn't...
On another humorous note, let me tell you how we tormented the XO of our Basic Training Company, a newly minted 2LT just out of OCS. We posted lookouts every morning and then lined up to salute him as he made his way to the orderly room. We spaced ourselves just far enough apart that he had to return our salutes individually. Then we raced around the company to get back in line and salute him again. The poor guy took to parking far from the company area and tried to sneak in, but we always caught him. Actually, I have to thank him for helping me survive OCS. Every time I felt like quitting, I thought of him and said to myself, "If LT A____ could do it, so can I."
On a more humorous note, I was in OCS before I ever saw my first warrant officer and hesitated in saluting. I should have observed the common wisdom: When in doubt, salute. The poor man simply cried, "My Gawd, don't they teach you bastards anything?" and stalked away.
Obviously, they didn't...
On another humorous note, let me tell you how we tormented the XO of our Basic Training Company, a newly minted 2LT just out of OCS. We posted lookouts every morning and then lined up to salute him as he made his way to the orderly room. We spaced ourselves just far enough apart that he had to return our salutes individually. Then we raced around the company to get back in line and salute him again. The poor guy took to parking far from the company area and tried to sneak in, but we always caught him. Actually, I have to thank him for helping me survive OCS. Every time I felt like quitting, I thought of him and said to myself, "If LT A____ could do it, so can I."
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This chart should answer the question as to who out ranks who and who should be saluting who... that is all.
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Bottom line up front salute the senior officer, this need not be a topic of discussion in my professional opinion!
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So officers give us regulations and expect us to enforce them, except for the regulations they don't want enforced? Roger that ladies and gentlemen.
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SSG V. Michelle Woods
Yes but as a prior NCO, you can feel our pain when ANYONE says a regulation doesn't apply. It's like nails on a chalkboard sir lol.
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CPT (Join to see)
Yeah, you are right about the chalk board. I have to just walk away sometimes. It is not my place anymore to correct soldiers, unless they reflect poorly on the Army, it is the NCOs job.
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I love the grass issue, I personally take the most direct route to the location I am going. I heard a saying once from a CSM, "If God didn't want you walking on grass then he wouldn't have made it green."
Working in an Officer heavy location, I actually asked a MAJ I work with about the salute situation because sometimes I see officers salute each other and other times I do not. He told me if they work or know each other it is an unspoken norm to not salute.
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OMG! IF one more person says this is like a PFC not standing at Parade Rest for a SPC Im going to have to pull out my stress card. People, parade rest is for NCO's, it is NOT for Jr. Soldiers. Here is a copy and paste for you from FM 7-21.13 Of particular note is the 3rd bullet. Please please please stop the madness.
4-16. Military courtesy shows respect and reflects self-discipline. Consistent and proper military courtesy is an indicator of unit discipline, as well. Soldiers demonstrate courtesy in the way we address officers or NCOs of superior rank. Some other simple but visible signs of respect and self-discipline are as follows:
When talking to an officer of superior rank, stand at attention until ordered otherwise.When you are dismissed, or when the officer departs, come to attention and salute.When speaking to or being addressed a noncommissioned officer of superior rank, stand at parade rest until ordered otherwise.When an officer of superior rank enters a room, the first soldier to recognize the officer calls personnel in the room to attention but does not salute. A salute indoors is rendered only when reporting.When an NCO of superior rank enters the room, the first soldier to recognize the NCO calls the room to "At ease."Walk on the left of an officer or NCO of superior rank.When entering or exiting a vehicle, the junior ranking soldier is the first to enter, and the senior in rank is the first to exit.When outdoors and approached by an NCO, you greet the NCO by saying, "Good morning, Sergeant," for example.The first person who sees an officer enter a dining facility gives the order "At ease," unless a more senior officer is already present. Many units extend this courtesy to senior NCOs, also.When you hear the command "At ease" in a dining facility, remain seated, silent and continue eating unless directed otherwise.
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SSG Richard Stevens
that is right. i have been out for fourteen yrs now ,but it is still, the same. but we did not have stress cards
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SFC Craig Hahn
I am with you on this SSG Burns, I cant believe that a simple question with a simple answer has turned into a bebate. It and as all things in the Military is spelled out for you in Black and White on what to do and what not to do.. NO questions asked, NO bending the rules..
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We Salute because Regulation and time honored tradition says we should. We do not have to respect all those above us but we must render Salutes. 17 years Warrant Officer I still LTs because its right, even no matter how much of a pain in the ass some can be.
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Sir, You answered your own question, ALL ARMY PERSONNEL IN UNIFORM ARE REQUIRED TO SALUTE....we are not allowed to pick and choose which regulations we will follow. BE the example, KNOW the standard, DO the right thing.
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Sir, it only seems obvious to me, 1LT outranks 2LT, plain and simple...salute them and give them the courtesy they have earned over a 2LT.
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Should the Lt Col salute the Col? Of course, the junior salutes the senior period. Yes there is rank amongst Lieutenants
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