Posted on Nov 11, 2018
Should a soldier ask to be recommended for an award?
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I recently ran into this problem. As a soldier that is trying to get promoted, I don't have a lot of promotion points. I'd like to think that if I deserve an award, someone will recommend me for it....but sadly, 9/10 that's not the case. My view is I'm the only person who is going to take an interest in my career. So if I think I've done something noteworthy, I'll ask for someone to write me an award recommendation. What are your thoughts on this? PFC (Join to see) SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL SSG(P) James J. Palmer IV aka "JP4" LTC Stephen F. CPL Dave Hoover SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth PVT James Strait SSG (Join to see) Capt Dwayne Conyers CPT Jack Durish
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SSG(P) (Join to see) I believe if a soldier has to ask to be put in for any type of award then the chain of command has failed this soldier in many more ways then just an award. I personally feel that first line leaders at the lowest level are responsible for recognizing and supporting outstanding accomplishments and awards when it comes to their service members, no matter what branch they serve in and even those leaders and individuals that witness heroic acts of valor, outstanding performance of duty, and mission oriented service members going above an beyond their call of duty should recognize and submit individuals for the appropriate awards at the appropriate times. Those awards then need to go through the proper channels (with follow-up by the originator in some cases) to ensure that they make it to the appropriate and final approving authority (that includes awards that go to the Department of Army). Many times these recommendations don't make it off a desk for many reasons, so aggressive follow-up is always recommended. This is a process that in my opinion needs to be taught from day one when we're bringing our young men and women up through the ranks into positions of higher responsibility. Just my two cents on recommending and submitting awards! Again, Cody if the individual has to ask for an award then something is broke in that unit or chain of command in my opinion (or) that command is handing out awards like candy for the wrong reasons and everyone feels they deserve something. I'll close with that. Some may agree or disagree!
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2d Lt (Join to see)
My current AFROTC instructor harps on this a lot. Last semester, a big part of our class covered writing award recommendations. A quarter of that time was spent discussing just how important it is to write recommendation letters for those we're put in charge of.
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If I feel that an award is warranted, trust me in that I've already noticed and the form has been written and submitted. But, if I feel that actions performed aren't strong enough for an award, then I will not. And in the case of the latter, if you come to me and ask me to write you an award you may find yourself being excused from my office unless you can give me a very compelling reason. Even if you think it's award worthy, you have to remember that the higher ups may not feel it's award worthy.
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SSgt Jamie Ritter LeBlanc
MSG (Join to see) I’m sorry I must have missed the part where it says I’m required to leave a response if I vote down. You are the one who initiated contact with me. If you want a healthy debate and common/professional courtesy then might I suggest that you try not to insult or belittle someone while trying to bait them into a discussion they never started. Signing off
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Maj (Join to see)
I would never have asked to be submitted for an award. I feel if I am deserving my boss should see that and write it up and submit it.
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TSgt Gwen Walcott
I think too many awards are given and that they diminish the value of real awards. Too many (and this goes back at least 50 years) are more participatory than noteworthy --- and should be done away with
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PO1 Ronald Johnson
CTM1(SW) USN RET Ronald Johnson here. When I was a CTM3 I requested my PO1 put me in for an award. I was doing a the job as the 3M Work Center Supervisor, got my Enlisted Surface Warfare Pin, Was working 12 Hours on and 12 Hours on call, had 100% Maintenance RAR rate and did this for 7 1/2 months during Operation Desert Shield/Storm. I was told that he put me in for a Navy Achievement Metal, the LCPO knock it down to a Letter of Commendation signed by an Admiral, the DIVO knocked it down to a Letter of Appreciation signed by the Captain, and the Department Head crumpled it up and threw it away and said I was just doing my job. You don't always get what you want or deserve. It all depends on the chain of command. I was told after that if I wanted an award I was to write it myself. It saves the higher ups the legwork if I have it written up with all my ducks in a row.
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SSG(P) (Join to see), tricky question, but I understand. Sometimes our chain can be so busy they don’t think about it.
It is at these times that I believe that, following your chain, you are well within your interests to do so.
Sadly, your NCO’s should always be looking for ways to get you recognition when you deserve so. There are NCO’s today who have lost site of that.
Cody, remember to follow your chain through all of this. If you get heat from your chain, then come back for some more advice from some of the leaders on here such as COL Mikel J. Burroughs, Lt Col Charlie Brown and LTC Stephen F.. All those who I have tagged, if you feel my advice is not the best, please correct it. I don’t want to lead him in the wrong direction.
Good luck soldier, stay strong.
1SG Frank Boynton,SPC Douglas Bolton,Brig Gen Jim Jaeger,CPT Jack Durish,Maj Marty Hogan,Cpl Scott McCarroll,SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth,SP5 Mark Kuzinski,SPC Mark Brown,SGT Elizabeth Scheck,MSgt Ken "Airsoldier" Collins-Hardy,SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL,SSG William Jones,TSgt Joe C.,SSgt Robert Marx,SGT Robert George,
It is at these times that I believe that, following your chain, you are well within your interests to do so.
Sadly, your NCO’s should always be looking for ways to get you recognition when you deserve so. There are NCO’s today who have lost site of that.
Cody, remember to follow your chain through all of this. If you get heat from your chain, then come back for some more advice from some of the leaders on here such as COL Mikel J. Burroughs, Lt Col Charlie Brown and LTC Stephen F.. All those who I have tagged, if you feel my advice is not the best, please correct it. I don’t want to lead him in the wrong direction.
Good luck soldier, stay strong.
1SG Frank Boynton,SPC Douglas Bolton,Brig Gen Jim Jaeger,CPT Jack Durish,Maj Marty Hogan,Cpl Scott McCarroll,SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth,SP5 Mark Kuzinski,SPC Mark Brown,SGT Elizabeth Scheck,MSgt Ken "Airsoldier" Collins-Hardy,SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL,SSG William Jones,TSgt Joe C.,SSgt Robert Marx,SGT Robert George,
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SGT Michael Thorin
Great addition MAJ Rene De La Rosa. SSG(P) (Join to see), this is a balancing act, and should definitely have been included in with my comment.
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SSG(P) (Join to see) My personal feeling was that I tried very hard to keep in mind who was up for promotion, who did what over the last reporting period, and who needed a little help. If I knew someone needed a little extra "face time" with the CO/XO, I made sure that they got up there for something related to their duties (not saying I broke a few thermostats or such while they were out but I did go through a lot of miscellaneous parts)... That being said, I missed things, and I was never upset if a sailor came up to me (through the chain of course), asking for a little promotion help. It would show me that they are engaged and not just marking time. My 2 cents, if you do go to someone for something, do your due diligence. Find out what will help you with promotion, and find out what the unit history is for certain things. For example, if you are the Fitness Coordinator (not sure what you call it in the Army), but in the Navy the Fitness Coordinator usually got an Achievement medal, if they asked for a Commendation medal, that would be a little out of the norm. Best of luck!
OK, one last thing (promotion is my soapbox)... The best way to get noticed and pushed to the head of the list is to be everywhere and be prepared. If you can make yourself the go-to person, or the most invaluable, then you will be remembered when awards and eval time come up.
OK, one last thing (promotion is my soapbox)... The best way to get noticed and pushed to the head of the list is to be everywhere and be prepared. If you can make yourself the go-to person, or the most invaluable, then you will be remembered when awards and eval time come up.
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SSG(P) (Join to see) - Bro, real talk, F all this popcorn people are telling you. Once I decided to fully take control of my own career when I was an E-5, I have written every one of my NCOERs and all my awards. And I have submitted them to my rater at least three months out from PCS, end of tour or due date. Keep in mind, that any service-member can recommend any other service-member for any award. An E-1 can recommend another E-1 or an 0-9. I have always encouraged all my subordinates to do the same. Now your rater might not use what you submit to them, it’s their prerogative. However I am sure they will read it through, and take it into consideration. Also, any recommended awards should be seen be your units award board.
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MSG (Join to see)
SSG(P) (Join to see) - Just write-it-up yourself, and have one of your Battle Buddy’s sign it and submit it to your units award board. That’s what I would do and what I would recommend to any of my Soldiers.
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I see no problem with asking. I myself have witnessed disservice both against myself and others.
There can be many reasons why an award is not recommended or initially recommended and not followed upon.
It can be because someone in the chain of command doesn’t have a realistic understanding of the purpose of the award. Such an exceedingly high standard for awarding a Solier’s Medal,
Professional jealousy, - they didn’t get one for a similar act so no one should.
Just plain hate- I’m going to fix it so that person doesn’t get a PCS award.
Then there’s the always present- too much award for that rank excuse.
The too lazy to put it in so let someone else do it.
Anyone who has been in the military a while has run into a few of these cases. So, don’t be afraid to ask why you have not been recognized. The worst that can happen is they say no.
There can be many reasons why an award is not recommended or initially recommended and not followed upon.
It can be because someone in the chain of command doesn’t have a realistic understanding of the purpose of the award. Such an exceedingly high standard for awarding a Solier’s Medal,
Professional jealousy, - they didn’t get one for a similar act so no one should.
Just plain hate- I’m going to fix it so that person doesn’t get a PCS award.
Then there’s the always present- too much award for that rank excuse.
The too lazy to put it in so let someone else do it.
Anyone who has been in the military a while has run into a few of these cases. So, don’t be afraid to ask why you have not been recognized. The worst that can happen is they say no.
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CW2 Louis Melendez
COL (Join to see) Sir, I totally agree with your post. SSG(P) (Join to see) SPC Voye, I strongly suggest you to ask. There is nothing wrong with asking. I personally experienced this issue when I was an E-4 (probably again as an E-5). I learned from that experience and promised myself to avoid falling in the categories that COL Harris mentioned above.
I hated and continue to hate when people just don't do the right thing when it comes to awards. This is one of the root causes why people don't trust the military award system, especially in the Army. Furthermore, your first in line or somebody in your CoC should be aware of things like this so you and others are properly recognized and lower enlisted don't end up scratching their heads like I was at that point and probably how you/others are.
Go ahead and start a word document and list the biggest accomplishment you made during your time as the acting PSG. Then, take that main impact and write down the ramifications (i.e. improved or sustained areas) that were positively influenced/affected during your time as the acting PSG. Lastly, take that list of accomplishments and show them to your first in line or somebody in your CoC (hell, if you want PM myself) so they can review it and take care of the DA Form 638. Good luck and keep working hard...
I hated and continue to hate when people just don't do the right thing when it comes to awards. This is one of the root causes why people don't trust the military award system, especially in the Army. Furthermore, your first in line or somebody in your CoC should be aware of things like this so you and others are properly recognized and lower enlisted don't end up scratching their heads like I was at that point and probably how you/others are.
Go ahead and start a word document and list the biggest accomplishment you made during your time as the acting PSG. Then, take that main impact and write down the ramifications (i.e. improved or sustained areas) that were positively influenced/affected during your time as the acting PSG. Lastly, take that list of accomplishments and show them to your first in line or somebody in your CoC (hell, if you want PM myself) so they can review it and take care of the DA Form 638. Good luck and keep working hard...
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Your view is correct, no one else is responsible for your own career except you.
That said, for the SGT board, you control 495 of the 800 possible points.
Have you maxed out on APFT, IWQ, college and correspondence courses?
Is the AAM from your previous duty position as PSG? If not, you could really use a PCS award from that. You started your new job this month, and asking your current supervisor for an award based on your performance in the first 60-90 days in that position that will process prior to the board cutoff date is just in poor taste, and you would then be known around the unit as the guy that asked for an award when he showed up.
However, once you make SGT, you may find that there are years when you have to ask for your NCOER at the due date. You absolutely should start asking two weeks out, and keep asking weekly until you sign it.
That said, for the SGT board, you control 495 of the 800 possible points.
Have you maxed out on APFT, IWQ, college and correspondence courses?
Is the AAM from your previous duty position as PSG? If not, you could really use a PCS award from that. You started your new job this month, and asking your current supervisor for an award based on your performance in the first 60-90 days in that position that will process prior to the board cutoff date is just in poor taste, and you would then be known around the unit as the guy that asked for an award when he showed up.
However, once you make SGT, you may find that there are years when you have to ask for your NCOER at the due date. You absolutely should start asking two weeks out, and keep asking weekly until you sign it.
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In my experience, this is a topic that should be addressed during your monthly counseling with your first line supervisor. The monthly counseling is a two way conversation where you both, leader and subordinate, can address your concerns and issues. If you feel that your performance warrants an award you should ask about the criteria for award submission. In a previous response I noticed you stating that you were working as a PSG for 4 months, 3 grades above your current rank, and you felt you deserved an ARCOM. These are things that you should address directly with your leadership during that dedicated counseling time each month. Sometimes a Soldier’s superior performance or actions get lost with the OPTEMPO and plethora of negative misconduct that are happening in a unit. If you express your ambitions for profession and your well-presented case for an award - this may help bring the spotlight back to you because it shows your leadership that you care. Hope this helps.
No, if you weren't recognized for something before there is no reason that it suddenly warrants the recognition now. Go above and beyond from here on out and you will be awarded for it. Just because you are working for hard stripes is not a reason for your leadership to start handing out medals.
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SSG(P) (Join to see)
Didn't say it was, however when you have soldiers performing tasks well beyond their rank it definitely warrants something...and I don't mean a bs coin or Certificate of Appreciation.
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
SSG(P) (Join to see) - what makes a "bs coin or Certificate of Appreciation" not something? Do you seriously believe that SPCs doing "above their rank" type work is something that rare in the army? I hate to burst your bubble, bud, but it is not unheard by any means to have a SPC have to step up to do tasks above their grade; in fact, if you have already received your Promotable status, that is nothing but par for the course. Doing your job is just that: doing your job (as it is assigned to you). If you require points for promotion you should: 1) ensure all correspondence hours are performed, 2) max civilian education, 3)max PT, 4)max weapons qual, 5) perform above and beyond (e.g. extended scale APFT, Distinguished gunnery, honor graduate from schools, etc) so that you may warrant recognition with things such as AAMs or ARCOMs.
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SSG(P) (Join to see) - respectfully, it’s apparent that you disagree, but please refer to AR 600-8-22, ch3-18.
Nowhere in it will you find, “when you have soldiers performing tasks well beyond their rank it definitely warrants” an ARCOM. The act of simply performing tasks usually reserved for higher ranks isn’t inherently heroic or meritorious.
Are you making this same argument for all the PFCs and SPCs serving as squad leaders? You’re the Platoon Sergeant. Make sure your joes are taken care of, right?
If it’s simply a matter of promotion points, SGT Joseph Gunderson has some good recommendations. If it’s a matter of pride, get prepared, because the NCO life isn’t like Keeping up with the Kardashians. More often than not, it’s a lot of work (above your grade), but the best rewards are the satisfaction of knowing that your joes are as prepared and taken care of as possible, and maybe even a bullshit coin.
Best of luck.
Nowhere in it will you find, “when you have soldiers performing tasks well beyond their rank it definitely warrants” an ARCOM. The act of simply performing tasks usually reserved for higher ranks isn’t inherently heroic or meritorious.
Are you making this same argument for all the PFCs and SPCs serving as squad leaders? You’re the Platoon Sergeant. Make sure your joes are taken care of, right?
If it’s simply a matter of promotion points, SGT Joseph Gunderson has some good recommendations. If it’s a matter of pride, get prepared, because the NCO life isn’t like Keeping up with the Kardashians. More often than not, it’s a lot of work (above your grade), but the best rewards are the satisfaction of knowing that your joes are as prepared and taken care of as possible, and maybe even a bullshit coin.
Best of luck.
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Volunteer. Work on the MOVSM. What else can you do? School? Military education? Better PT and marksmanship? Focus on what you can influence. Awards are great but earn it for the right reason, not points.
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SSG(P) (Join to see)
I am earning them for the right reasons, but the promotion points definitely help.
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