Posted on Mar 22, 2016
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Tell my why we should keep Soldiers in who take FOREVER with multiple attempts to qualify with their assigned weapon but chapter Soldiers out who fail TWO record APFTs in a row.
I say if you can't hit the broad side of a barn with one hand touching the barn you need to look at other avenues of employment.
I say if you can't hit the broad side of a barn with one hand touching the barn you need to look at other avenues of employment.
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LeadershipNon-Commissioned Officer Professional Enhancement (NCOPE)
APFT Weapons Standards LeadershipNon-Commissioned Officer Professional Enhancement (NCOPE)
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When I was in boot camp, I had problems shooting, but the Drill Sergeants recognized the problem, and I was able to qualify. As for the APFT, A soldier has to work that out for themselves.If they are weak in PT, they need to work out on their own to improve.
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Yes, they are not meeting the standard in a VERY important aspect of Army life, & their job.
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Simple answer Yes. It's failing to be a Soldier. Complicated answer the soldier can be trained but that takes leaders that care. I could get any Soldier wanting to qualify to qualify...may take more bullets but I could.
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Good question, and standards should be upheld and consistent with the policies written.
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The Soldier could be opposite eye dominate. Meaning, their normal firing eye is not their dominate eye. This makes firing a weapon very hard unless you correct for it. Example, I am a right handed firer however I am left eye dominate. I correct for this by wearing an eye patch over my left eye.
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On this point I must agree wholeheartedly; there is no excuse whatsoever to keep a Servicemember in the military if they cannot qualify on their assigned weapon.
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Ok let us really look at this question and evaluate the sense behind it.
First of all Physical training is the ability to have endurance and strength for the needed time (such as in time of conflict) Weapons is the ability to fire as needed. Just because a Soldier is unable to put a bullet on a piece of paper or at far away targets that are stil does not mean he or she will not be able to take out the enemy, yet a Soldier that can not pass a PT test is detrimental to the unit by having no strength, endurance and could cause their own. death or capture. When push comes to shove That Soldier Will Hit The Side Of The Barn.
First of all Physical training is the ability to have endurance and strength for the needed time (such as in time of conflict) Weapons is the ability to fire as needed. Just because a Soldier is unable to put a bullet on a piece of paper or at far away targets that are stil does not mean he or she will not be able to take out the enemy, yet a Soldier that can not pass a PT test is detrimental to the unit by having no strength, endurance and could cause their own. death or capture. When push comes to shove That Soldier Will Hit The Side Of The Barn.
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SFC Kim Armstrong
I would challenge that theory . Do you know that there were Soldiers that were aces on the range yet were either scared or could not hit intended target during time of conflict.
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SPC Charles Griffith
SFC Kim Armstrong - All the more important to train it to be a reflexive type skill.
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I originally qualified in basic training 1965 using the M14 rifle open iron sights from the required positions,prone,kneeling supported,ect before this time I had never fired a weapon .I think this qualification came about because of the firing range instructors and the absolute attention to detail shown by all the cadre on the range this probably does not answer this post but it is just my observation of training methods
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