Posted on Sep 21, 2015
Should an NCO or Instructor ever put his/her hands on a servicember to get a point across?
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I've been combat arms 11 (Infantry; enlisted) and 19 (Armor; officer) series for 25 years and have never felt it necessary to put my hands on a soldier to get my point across. I understand a safety violation or situation may be an exception when injury needs to be prevented. Otherwise, I feel like assaulting a soldier to get a point across is piss poor leadership.
http://bootcamp4me.com/homepage-tab-3/drill-sergeant-tosses-soldier-to-ground-because-he-throws-like-a-girl/
http://bootcamp4me.com/homepage-tab-3/drill-sergeant-tosses-soldier-to-ground-because-he-throws-like-a-girl/
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Posted 9 y ago
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After seeing the video, I have to ask "WTF?"
There are times when you need to "Immediately rectify an unsafe condition" and applying immediate force is the only option. Such as when a toddler is reaching for a hot stove.. or a troop is flagging someone with a weapon.
What happened with the troop in the video was not comparable to either of those things.
That was not training. That was assault.
There are times when you need to "Immediately rectify an unsafe condition" and applying immediate force is the only option. Such as when a toddler is reaching for a hot stove.. or a troop is flagging someone with a weapon.
What happened with the troop in the video was not comparable to either of those things.
That was not training. That was assault.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
CPT Toby Forbes Assaulting a troop several seconds after the throw took place isn't going to teach him how to throw better, nor was it an actual safety issue (as they weren't in the pits). It was a practice issue. The only risk of injury as seen in the video was when the NCO threw him to the ground.
That's why repeat things until we get it right.
That's why repeat things until we get it right.
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CPT Juan Zuluaga
I also agree that it is not necessary to put one's hands on a service member to get a point across. I can remember times when I was junior enlisted, young and stupid, and the senior LPO made their point and it stuck. Later as an LPO myself I can also remember doing the same to my junior enlisted. As an officer I have had even more unfortunate opportunities to set young officers straight.
As you said with the exception of hands on in the case of injury, or loss to life or limb. However to your point, leadership is many things and maintaining proper military bearing is essential and that too is a point that comes across.
I also agree that it is not necessary to put one's hands on a service member to get a point across. I can remember times when I was junior enlisted, young and stupid, and the senior LPO made their point and it stuck. Later as an LPO myself I can also remember doing the same to my junior enlisted. As an officer I have had even more unfortunate opportunities to set young officers straight.
As you said with the exception of hands on in the case of injury, or loss to life or limb. However to your point, leadership is many things and maintaining proper military bearing is essential and that too is a point that comes across.
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I agree Sir. One more point, The soldier thrown down in the link could have suffered serious injuries from that throw.
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