Posted on Jan 14, 2014
Should an NCO's APFT score be annotated on the NCOER?
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I believe it should be on there for Excellence or Needs Improvement the way it works at the moment. The problem I have is that if it is sincerely something that the Centralized Promotion Boards want to see (actually giving an entire portion of the AAR comments on) then it shouldn't be XXX'ed out on the ERB.
If by regulation someone meets the standard with a 181-269, then why would they be judged on that and that alone when there are many more areas that should matter more (bullet comments, senior rater comments, military education, college, etc.). Mind you, I am specifically talking about everyone who falls into the 181-269 range and not Exceeds the Standard or Needs Improvement. Obviously they would be either above or below their peers. If two NCOs are extremely close needing a tie breaker and a PT score of 221 being listed on one NCOER and another NCO has a 279 with a 86% run time and no mention of it, then that does not make much sense in my opinion.
In the AAR comments they went so far as to say it seemed like they were trying to hide something. Again, what would they be trying to hide? The Senior Rater and Rater are there for a reason. If they failed the PT test or tape they would be getting a Needs Improvement. If their DA Photo was poor due to a uniform that was not fitted properly that shouldn't be a basis for assuming someone is hiding something. They should be judged on their Professionalism in that case not their PT score (which board members do not know).
Centralized Promotion Boards should base their votes on the Regulation, and iirc there is no regulation saying you have to have the PT score in that block. You just have to justify an Excellence or Needs Improvement and in those cases PT scores are likely going to be the justification.
Even though my averages range from 260-280 I have never had it listed in that block in over 10 years unless I got 90 in each event in which case it was the justification for the Excellence bullet.
I hope in the future they start showing weapons qualification and PT scores across the board. If it is a level playing field I am perfectly fine with that, but last years AAR comments honestly made me aggravated.
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Yes and here is why (in my words). The promotion board looking at your records it is better to have a score rather than not having any score at all.
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I think rather than merely placing the score on the NCOER, the DA 705 and 5500/5501 (if applicable) should be placed in the OMPF.
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We have PFT and CFT scores on our FitReps. Everything is all about shooting, running, and your evaluation in the Corps.
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