Posted on May 28, 2014
Should Army and Marines (or components of) consolidate?
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Think objectively. Traditions, camaraderie aside. Both are somewhat similarly more combat-oriented than USN or USAF. Answer practically without putting down either one of them.
PS: Yes, some are taunting about USN and USAF consolidation or Air Force return to Army Air Corps. My take on that if it's practical, lessen bureaucracy, and make for a smoother communications pipeline amongst the DoD components, why not? Again, camaraderie and traditions aside for a min.
PS: Yes, some are taunting about USN and USAF consolidation or Air Force return to Army Air Corps. My take on that if it's practical, lessen bureaucracy, and make for a smoother communications pipeline amongst the DoD components, why not? Again, camaraderie and traditions aside for a min.
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The discussion is should we combine branches ?
I think the branches are somewhat already combined just not fully integrated like the DOD would like it to be. I think efforts have already been made to combine forces, and the reason so is because I remember during BMT training AT Lackland when marching to different appoints I remember seeing several Navy Staff and Trainees in Blue Berries training at Lackland Airforce Base.
Also My Tech School down in Bioloxi Mississippi I remember seeing Marines and Navy Men Training along with us shopping at the BX and eating at the same Chow Hall. The Marines and Navy had one combined Apartment unit that at the front of the base with the rest of the surrounding apartment units belonging to Airmen in training. The only difference was they had separate school buildings, but the training they were receiving may have been based on a Air Force curriculum not really sure because I didn't really get close enough too any Navy or Marines to Ask.
The Air Guard base I served at had a Army Guard base right across the street, so from these observations and experiences the units have already integrated. Also you can't forget the number of prior service who crossover too other branches. I knew several prior service Navy,Marines, and Army that came over to the Air force branch.
One thing that wasn't mentioned is that the Air Force came from the Army similar to how the Marines came from Navy, and I'm pretty sure some where along in history that the Coast Guard was a off-shot of the Navy. Remember that the Air force completely Broke from the Army in 1947 because of previous early efforts by influential officers. Air Force was always trying to be a separate branch from the Army it went through many changes. The Air Force was started as part of the Army Signal Core a branch of the Army that flew the first planes created by the Wright Brothers. Other changes came when Billy Mitchell and Hap Arnold suggested the forces between Army and Air Division be separated which they manage to convince major powers through media outlets by convincing certain pilots to go public about certain experiences and casualties they suffered through while flying. Through this whole media process Air Service and Air Corps was created which was still a division of the Army, but not completely separated. The real change of complete separation didn't take place until 1947 when the National Security Act was passed in July which created separate Military Air Branch of that same year of date September 18.
Even though i gave history lesson of how Air Force separated from Army I still think the Airforce through the ways certain things get done are based off of Army tradition, but just not as intense. I will list several ways how they are similar but different.
1.Army Boot Camp 10 Weeks vs Airforce 8 Weeks
2.Army PT test 2 miles(8 laps) vs Airforce 1 1/2 Miles(6laps)
3.Army Weapons Training More variety vs Air Force training with only M4's and Beretta's unless you train in a special force unit like Black Ops equivalent to Army Green Berets and Rangers
4.Army has Infantry vs Air Forces Security Forces which is very similar to each other in what they do.
without going to deep and listing all the similarities and commonness among these two branches one thing that I'm trying say is that the Army is the Big Brother of the Air Force the only difference is when comes to do similar things its not as intense in certain areas. The only main difference is the missions in which Air Force is Air Power with some ground forces like the Army and the Army like the Air force has some Air Power, but not as much.
about doing things is still based on the Army for example:
In Conclusion should the forces combine? I would say yes and no and if they were to combine they would still be separated. I don't think it would completely change. I think if Congressmen and the DOD decided to combine all branches by making it one in the same you would sti have historical tradition of the branches Army,Air-force,Marines,Navy and Coast Guard. The only thing that would change is a personality test on paper and simulated real life scenarios and a real team try out that could predict which branch would be more suitable for and individual. Which would be a deciding factor, in the branch one should join and be the most successful in .
I think the branches are somewhat already combined just not fully integrated like the DOD would like it to be. I think efforts have already been made to combine forces, and the reason so is because I remember during BMT training AT Lackland when marching to different appoints I remember seeing several Navy Staff and Trainees in Blue Berries training at Lackland Airforce Base.
Also My Tech School down in Bioloxi Mississippi I remember seeing Marines and Navy Men Training along with us shopping at the BX and eating at the same Chow Hall. The Marines and Navy had one combined Apartment unit that at the front of the base with the rest of the surrounding apartment units belonging to Airmen in training. The only difference was they had separate school buildings, but the training they were receiving may have been based on a Air Force curriculum not really sure because I didn't really get close enough too any Navy or Marines to Ask.
The Air Guard base I served at had a Army Guard base right across the street, so from these observations and experiences the units have already integrated. Also you can't forget the number of prior service who crossover too other branches. I knew several prior service Navy,Marines, and Army that came over to the Air force branch.
One thing that wasn't mentioned is that the Air Force came from the Army similar to how the Marines came from Navy, and I'm pretty sure some where along in history that the Coast Guard was a off-shot of the Navy. Remember that the Air force completely Broke from the Army in 1947 because of previous early efforts by influential officers. Air Force was always trying to be a separate branch from the Army it went through many changes. The Air Force was started as part of the Army Signal Core a branch of the Army that flew the first planes created by the Wright Brothers. Other changes came when Billy Mitchell and Hap Arnold suggested the forces between Army and Air Division be separated which they manage to convince major powers through media outlets by convincing certain pilots to go public about certain experiences and casualties they suffered through while flying. Through this whole media process Air Service and Air Corps was created which was still a division of the Army, but not completely separated. The real change of complete separation didn't take place until 1947 when the National Security Act was passed in July which created separate Military Air Branch of that same year of date September 18.
Even though i gave history lesson of how Air Force separated from Army I still think the Airforce through the ways certain things get done are based off of Army tradition, but just not as intense. I will list several ways how they are similar but different.
1.Army Boot Camp 10 Weeks vs Airforce 8 Weeks
2.Army PT test 2 miles(8 laps) vs Airforce 1 1/2 Miles(6laps)
3.Army Weapons Training More variety vs Air Force training with only M4's and Beretta's unless you train in a special force unit like Black Ops equivalent to Army Green Berets and Rangers
4.Army has Infantry vs Air Forces Security Forces which is very similar to each other in what they do.
without going to deep and listing all the similarities and commonness among these two branches one thing that I'm trying say is that the Army is the Big Brother of the Air Force the only difference is when comes to do similar things its not as intense in certain areas. The only main difference is the missions in which Air Force is Air Power with some ground forces like the Army and the Army like the Air force has some Air Power, but not as much.
about doing things is still based on the Army for example:
In Conclusion should the forces combine? I would say yes and no and if they were to combine they would still be separated. I don't think it would completely change. I think if Congressmen and the DOD decided to combine all branches by making it one in the same you would sti have historical tradition of the branches Army,Air-force,Marines,Navy and Coast Guard. The only thing that would change is a personality test on paper and simulated real life scenarios and a real team try out that could predict which branch would be more suitable for and individual. Which would be a deciding factor, in the branch one should join and be the most successful in .
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Branches within branches would only be fighting within the consolidated military to get a larger share of the budget. That is going to be the case until we can wrap our heads around One solid military branch with definitive options as currently denoted: Marines, Air Force, Navy, Army. The Marines are are emergency force to help Americans and American policy around the world. They get in and hold the ground until POTUS decides to gets Congressional approval to send in the Army . All our branches have done an excellent job. Besides Americans always want to pride themselves as being in a branch (Unit) that is very special (Army Special Forces, Seals, Air Force Commandos, Coast Guard (LE), etc.
Change is hard for the most Senior Officers in each branch and they don't want to give up their power or be out of their element of expertise.
I served in the Marine Corps for six years, loved the comradely and professionalism. However, I got out of the Marines and reenlisted in the Army for more training, education, and where I could make the most difference (Army Special Forces- ODA Commander, B-Team Commander. I cherished the men who worked with me, they were top notch, brilliant, and Patriotic Americans. Let us all not forget each service member is a volunteer and Loves this country until their dying breath. God Bless the Army, the Marine Corps, The Navy, The Air Force and the Coast Guard. We are always Serving others and are proud to where the uniform.
Change is hard for the most Senior Officers in each branch and they don't want to give up their power or be out of their element of expertise.
I served in the Marine Corps for six years, loved the comradely and professionalism. However, I got out of the Marines and reenlisted in the Army for more training, education, and where I could make the most difference (Army Special Forces- ODA Commander, B-Team Commander. I cherished the men who worked with me, they were top notch, brilliant, and Patriotic Americans. Let us all not forget each service member is a volunteer and Loves this country until their dying breath. God Bless the Army, the Marine Corps, The Navy, The Air Force and the Coast Guard. We are always Serving others and are proud to where the uniform.
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NO!!!! No offense to my Marine brothers ands sisters, but, NO!!!! Blessings.
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Sp4 Byron Skinner. NO. The modern Marine Corp is the product of WW II. Before that they were like all other Marines a Naval Infantry. They were spread out in the fleet, enforced discipline on board ship and occasionally went ashore to bust drunk sailors out of a local jail. The changing force was Smedley Butler who wrote War is a racket, the Panama War Games of the 1930 and the resulting boo Small War Manual, USMC 1940. War came on December 7th. 1941 and the War Department found the only ground force available in the Pacific were the Marines. The Japanese held Pacific Islands and had to be kicked off, the modern Marines wet born. The Marines can't operate very long with out the combat power of the Army and the robust support and service that come with the US Army. Since WWII in Korea, Vietnam and now in the 21st Century the Marines have played the role of Army light. This is not an efficient role for the marines nor for the resources of the Army.
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Sgt Robert Holden
You might want to research how a Marine Air Ground Task Force deploys. They're a self-sustained force, provisioned for specific initial periods of direct action, backed by a logistics train at sea that replenishes them and provides close air and naval gunfire support. That force, depending on configuration, also includes its own armor (tanks or LAVs), artillery, and close air support and medical evacuation, and combat logistics support. Time and again the Marines have proven their resourcefulness in the field and will continue to do that so long as they maintain our core values as Marines.
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