Posted on May 28, 2014
Should Army and Marines (or components of) consolidate?
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Think objectively. Traditions, camaraderie aside. Both are somewhat similarly more combat-oriented than USN or USAF. Answer practically without putting down either one of them.
PS: Yes, some are taunting about USN and USAF consolidation or Air Force return to Army Air Corps. My take on that if it's practical, lessen bureaucracy, and make for a smoother communications pipeline amongst the DoD components, why not? Again, camaraderie and traditions aside for a min.
PS: Yes, some are taunting about USN and USAF consolidation or Air Force return to Army Air Corps. My take on that if it's practical, lessen bureaucracy, and make for a smoother communications pipeline amongst the DoD components, why not? Again, camaraderie and traditions aside for a min.
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You know, that's an interesting thought...if one looks at the clinical side, to my way of thinking, all the clinical stuff, all of it, everything, should've been grouped together a long time ago, I mean, the idea of having three separate clinical groups, in Army, Navy, and USAF, then having the USPHS separately, as well as the VA hospitals, always seemed to me more than a trifle dumb, there should've been total compatibility, with complete data interchange with all the major hospital chains, with whatever HIPAA stuff would be needed for privacy, I just think that would've sped up completely combining them...then too, if one looks at NASA and NOAA, their functions to quite heavily also overlap, plus, the NOAA Corps, being a military service, or uniformed, whatever, I've also thought they could both be quite well combined as well...the thing with combining services the way Canada does it, for example, is that one loses a good deal of esprit de corps, I should think, not to mention, though this would probably be said to not matter terribly much, a good deal of the fun of making comparisons between services...I can certainly perceive a good deal of rationale due to both being combat arms organizations, though...I mean, if one looks at all the different flight ops, Army helicopters, Navy and USAF aircraft, NOAA aircraft, USCG aircraft, I suppose one could extend the analogy to creating one huge hodgepodge of combined service organizations based strictly on function...now I don't deny that might be more effiicent organizationally, however, it completely ignores traditions, which are once again inextricably linked to esprit de corps...common training to minimize cost? Yeah, absolutely, to some rational extent...however, merely because services overlap as to equipment, or superficial aspects of actual day-to-day function, doesn't necessarily mean that they can be instantaneously combined with no thought whatever to the psychology of those actually doing the work, and their morale in doing it...might that pass over time? Perhaps...Canada merged a lot of their stuff, they didn't fall apart...it just would lose a good deal of the flavor inherent in each organization, that helps make each unique, and besides, it'd probably wind up getting rid of the Army-Navy game, if one carried the whole thing to an ostensibly logical extreme, and obviously nobody would put up with that certainly, you know?
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Think objectively? Sorry! Marine Boot Camp totally cleansed me of that offense more than 60 years ago!
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It should also be noted the largest amphibious invasion in history was conducted by the Army - D Day
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Should USN and USCG? All branches are already consolidated. It's called DOD. Your question appears periodically on RP and for brevity's sake, No.
These posts end up with about 10% of the people actually discussing the pro/cons, 10% saying let's all get along, and the rest talking trash about each other, citing history, specific units or their failures and successes or similar. The only people that can truthfully discuss both services are those that have served in both. Serving along side is not the same. Everyone other than draftees makes a choice, and they all have different opinions. All the trash talk doesn't address the question, and makes all that play that game look bad. There are things that each service does that the other can't do as well without training to that standard. I chose the Marines and am glad that I did, but I think no less of anyone from another service. It takes a Total Force to get the job done.
These posts end up with about 10% of the people actually discussing the pro/cons, 10% saying let's all get along, and the rest talking trash about each other, citing history, specific units or their failures and successes or similar. The only people that can truthfully discuss both services are those that have served in both. Serving along side is not the same. Everyone other than draftees makes a choice, and they all have different opinions. All the trash talk doesn't address the question, and makes all that play that game look bad. There are things that each service does that the other can't do as well without training to that standard. I chose the Marines and am glad that I did, but I think no less of anyone from another service. It takes a Total Force to get the job done.
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All valid points, Bill. I served in three for a total of 33 years. I don't see where my three could meld together in any combination, nor would it serve any organizational or functional purpose.
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The USMC should be fully incorporated into the Department of the Navy, the Air Force into the new "Army Air corp" and a new "Cyber/Space Command" incorporate all of the appropriate assets from all four. Thinking the USMC will ever make another opposed beach landing is foolish...so why spend so much preparing/training/equipping for such? Other than their uni's...their mission is hard to differentiate over in "the 'ghan" from the Army now anyhow.
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This is a jack@$$ery debate.The Army and Marines do essentially the same thing. Heck the initial invasion of Gulf II proved it. Why do we have different uniforms, different boots? It's a waste of $$$. I was in the Army, I was in the Guard and worked alongside Marines since 07. We both do the same thing with minor differences. I say eliminate the Marines or eliminate the Army. The US does not need "two Armies". Heck why do our different forces have the 412 (super huey) and the S-72 (Blackhawk)... they both do the same thing. The 47 and 53 do essentially the same thing... eliminate one! Yes the Army doesn't have jets, but doesn't the Cobra and Apache do the same thing? The Army doesn't have 130's but that is what the Air Force is for.
The Navy and Air Force should stay separate and on their own. The Army and Marines should combine. Just get rid of some of the slugs from the Army, and eliminate the "mind job/beainwash" that the Marines force on their troops.
The Navy and Air Force should stay separate and on their own. The Army and Marines should combine. Just get rid of some of the slugs from the Army, and eliminate the "mind job/beainwash" that the Marines force on their troops.
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What Uncle Sam's Misguided Children carrying on how the Army cannot do what they do is to remember that in World War Two the Army conducted more "seaborne deployments" than the Marines did.
The services complement eachothers capabilities as they currently exist but what the once did they can do again.
The Army picked up the heavy combat roll, the Marines the medium role and all servuces have part of the light roll.
The services complement eachothers capabilities as they currently exist but what the once did they can do again.
The Army picked up the heavy combat roll, the Marines the medium role and all servuces have part of the light roll.
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NO absolutely not. The USA and the USMC have specific roles to play in national defense. All of the military branches have demonstrated over 242 years their value. They bring different perspectives to protecting the republic.
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