Posted on May 28, 2014
Should Army and Marines (or components of) consolidate?
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Think objectively. Traditions, camaraderie aside. Both are somewhat similarly more combat-oriented than USN or USAF. Answer practically without putting down either one of them.
PS: Yes, some are taunting about USN and USAF consolidation or Air Force return to Army Air Corps. My take on that if it's practical, lessen bureaucracy, and make for a smoother communications pipeline amongst the DoD components, why not? Again, camaraderie and traditions aside for a min.
PS: Yes, some are taunting about USN and USAF consolidation or Air Force return to Army Air Corps. My take on that if it's practical, lessen bureaucracy, and make for a smoother communications pipeline amongst the DoD components, why not? Again, camaraderie and traditions aside for a min.
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The Marine Corps is already a department of the Navy. And we don't have any more time to take in more strays.
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There are so many reasons NOT to combine the two branches. Being an Army Officer, seperated, and having a son, SSG, USMC, When we talk about what is going on within each, it becomes clear that the two could not combine. Each has a defined role in the total force objective. Training together in a combat arms role could and should be explored, as they have similar equipment and objectives, but other than that, no point. Marines are Marines, always have been and there should be no changes to fall in line with the Army and their history.
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The USA "NEEDS" A MARINE CORPS. The duties of Marines are varied and many. From amphibious assault operations and training (of which that responsibility was spelled out in the National Security Act of 1947) to Rapid Deployment within hours from ships carrying what used to be called Battalion Landing Teams and are now MEU's I believe...protecting American lives and Assets abroad, Embassy Security, Exrending and projecting American interests and policy from the fleet, assist in putting down insurgencies that are threatening to overthrow friendly governments, conduct vertical assaults from Amphibious assault ships and counter insurgency operations. I am sure I left some out.
Additionally Marines DO NOT fight like the army. They are trained differently for a different mission. Tactics and strategies are tailored to that mission and every Marine is made aware of that during training.
The main difference however is psychological. When the SHTF it's the Espirit de Corps that makes the difference. Certain types join the Corps knowing they are going to go though Hell in Boot Camp. When they graduate they are MARINES ! Not soldiers or airmen or sailors but MARINES! THAT is what makes Marines fight differently than the army. Marines move faster and are deadlier because we "Advance to Contact" That was expressed by an army commander during the Grenada operation. Marines were called off the line during the battle of Okinawa to take a position the army commander refused to continue attacking. Certain enemy soldiers avoided contact with Marines in Korea and it was reported that some army transportation guys painted USMC on their trucks because they thought the enemy would hesitate more before attacking a Marine convoy. Without the Marines standing ready within hours to attack and destroy an enemy of America. Or attack and hold for reinforcements THE USA would be dangerously vulnerable. It's tradition and honor for The Corps and what it stands for. And there is more Mickey Mouse BS in the Corps that will piss off Marine before he even meets the enemy. Lol.
Read General
Vandegrifts "Not on Bended Knee" speech to Congress after WWII when they wanted to disband The Corps.
Marines ARE different. There is no pencil pushing , accounting, logistical, or DoD attempt that can account for that "spark". .."Rangers".. will get what I'm talking about.
Additionally Marines DO NOT fight like the army. They are trained differently for a different mission. Tactics and strategies are tailored to that mission and every Marine is made aware of that during training.
The main difference however is psychological. When the SHTF it's the Espirit de Corps that makes the difference. Certain types join the Corps knowing they are going to go though Hell in Boot Camp. When they graduate they are MARINES ! Not soldiers or airmen or sailors but MARINES! THAT is what makes Marines fight differently than the army. Marines move faster and are deadlier because we "Advance to Contact" That was expressed by an army commander during the Grenada operation. Marines were called off the line during the battle of Okinawa to take a position the army commander refused to continue attacking. Certain enemy soldiers avoided contact with Marines in Korea and it was reported that some army transportation guys painted USMC on their trucks because they thought the enemy would hesitate more before attacking a Marine convoy. Without the Marines standing ready within hours to attack and destroy an enemy of America. Or attack and hold for reinforcements THE USA would be dangerously vulnerable. It's tradition and honor for The Corps and what it stands for. And there is more Mickey Mouse BS in the Corps that will piss off Marine before he even meets the enemy. Lol.
Read General
Vandegrifts "Not on Bended Knee" speech to Congress after WWII when they wanted to disband The Corps.
Marines ARE different. There is no pencil pushing , accounting, logistical, or DoD attempt that can account for that "spark". .."Rangers".. will get what I'm talking about.
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About 15 years ago I heard from a little birdie that they (the brass) where planning on combining all the forces into one and that they would first change all the uniforms to the same one (digital working) just keeping the branch they belong to on them. After they changed the uniforms they would then start to combine the forces i.e. USN and USMC, Army and USAF or Army and USMC, USAF and USN and then after everyone got over the change then they would combine the USN and the Army to make one force (I can't remember now what they said the name was going to be.)
Sorry if you wanted to keep the branches the same but you can't change what the bean counters wont!
Sorry if you wanted to keep the branches the same but you can't change what the bean counters wont!
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