Posted on Nov 2, 2014
Should college tuition be free or nearly free in America?
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Many nations in Europe and South America offer free or nearly free degree programs--and advanced degree programs-- that are taught in English. Germany, Finland, France, Sweden, Norway, Solvenia, and Brazil are current examples. Americans can attend and earn degrees there without speaking host nation languages for many degrees or courses. Even without tuition, costs of living can be high, but still may be a better bargain for some degree seekers....maybe universal service is the way to help pay for education--give your country a few years of service not necessarily in the military, you get most of your tuition paid....
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Maybe not free, but how about we at least allow students to refinance their loans - or provide all loans through the public sector at, say, 1-3% interest. The banks get to borrow at near 0%, so why shouldn't we subsidize students the same way? I'm fine with having to pay for college, I'm not fine with students getting stuck with 6-9% interest rates that make it near impossible to pay off those loans unless you immediately walk out into a great job.
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SSgt (Join to see)
Major dews, here here sir! I actually avoided completing college before joining due to that pitfall. I had a full ride for 2 years, got an associates, and decided not to continue due to cost.
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PO2 Jonathan Scharff
Agree with MAJ (Join to see). I have paid for three kids to go through college and one has finished his masters and another finishing his law degree this year. They did the graduate work on their dime. My third is just beginning his masters on his dime. I think we should provide very low interest loans to students.
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When I was going to school, I would have liked tuition to have been free or nearly free. Now that I am at a point in my life where I will not attend any further degree programs, my thinking has changed.
First, there is no such thing as free or nearly free college tuition. Someone pays for it.
Second, formal education is highly overrated, and is often times a monopoly of various educational institutions that do not necessarily invest in the education of students. Many institutions have huge endowments, yet strap young college graduates with enormous debt burdens. You wonder why our docs have such terrible bedside manner? They're too worried about how they're going to pay their student loan debt back.
Third, if I had it to do all over again, I would have sought out someone who had what I wanted, asked them how they got it, and gone after the prize in the manner they suggested. I would have invested in a classical education by reading books about entrepreneurship, philosophy, history, and the lives of our founding fathers.
First, there is no such thing as free or nearly free college tuition. Someone pays for it.
Second, formal education is highly overrated, and is often times a monopoly of various educational institutions that do not necessarily invest in the education of students. Many institutions have huge endowments, yet strap young college graduates with enormous debt burdens. You wonder why our docs have such terrible bedside manner? They're too worried about how they're going to pay their student loan debt back.
Third, if I had it to do all over again, I would have sought out someone who had what I wanted, asked them how they got it, and gone after the prize in the manner they suggested. I would have invested in a classical education by reading books about entrepreneurship, philosophy, history, and the lives of our founding fathers.
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I don't necessarily think that college should be free, but I do not think that it should be as expensive as it is for no reason. I think that people need to work for it, and at the end you will appreciate it much more. In our Country people already have this sense of entitlement that is out of control, let them now all have a degree and they will without a doubt think that they are owed the World.
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SFC(P) (Join to see)
It is so hard to try and tell someone that getting a degree is going to be the determining factor in giving them a happier life; especially if everyone would have a degree. If we are making College free, then it would be on the same level as Grade School, where everyone would have a chance to go. We would then have to create Private Colleges just to differentiate, just as we do with Public Grade Schools now.
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SSgt (Join to see)
SGT Maxwell, completely true. If you make it free, it becomes the standard, and then everyones expected to have one. I think it works as is, its just overly costly. The markets already flooded with degrees as it is.
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SFC(P) (Join to see)
Very true, then everyone would need to get a Master's or PhD, which would then be just like Bachelors and a Master's. In terms or rarity at least, this argument would then be made for the Master's then in time for the PhD as well. People need to earn something for themselves and work for it. I truly appreciate my Degree because I worked for it, not just in class, but also with still paying off the student loans from it.
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SSgt (Join to see)
Very true, and I applaud those whom have earned their degrees, especially while in the service. I'm working for my Bachelors currently and its incredibly hard. But its not truly "expected" of me, though EPR's say otherwise...
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I believe that College or University education should be available to all...but not necessarily "free" for all. Â In Europe, students are tested several times for the aptitude and ability to succeed in college or if they might be more suited to a trade profession. Â I would completely support the same style of education here. Â Not everyone is cut out for higher education and some, and just don't want to go to college. Â I also support "free" college education through service. Â Not just military service, but service to any federal program. Â It would be great to see people go to the Job Corp or a restart of the Civilian Conservation Corp, etc. Â We already have enough govt supported programs that throw away money without any system in place to ensure against waste. Â Id want to make sure that we sent people to school, on our dime, who would succeed. Â
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SGM (Join to see)
MSG Archer--agree that Free For Alls are not good. People need to make an investment in their own future; yet the cost of education for many is too high. That's why I am a fan of universal service to help pay for it.
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I don't think tuition should be free, simply because I don't believe in forcing taxpayers to pay for what is essentially a personal choice to attend college. Up through high school, as is currently the case for public schools, I totally am on board with no tuition; this provides for the basic level of education needed for every citizen.
College, however, is not for everyone. There are still many jobs that absolutely do not require a college education. Those who want more possibilities in the job market can go to college, but that is a choice, one which I believe should necessitate some "skin in the game." While not true of everyone, for most people that which is acquired cheaply is poorly appreciated.
As others have stated, service members "pay" for their TA or GI Bill benefits through their service. In my experience, service members often end up taking college more seriously because of this than a silver spoon type whose parents pay for it all without a second thought.
College, however, is not for everyone. There are still many jobs that absolutely do not require a college education. Those who want more possibilities in the job market can go to college, but that is a choice, one which I believe should necessitate some "skin in the game." While not true of everyone, for most people that which is acquired cheaply is poorly appreciated.
As others have stated, service members "pay" for their TA or GI Bill benefits through their service. In my experience, service members often end up taking college more seriously because of this than a silver spoon type whose parents pay for it all without a second thought.
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PV2 (Join to see)
Agree completely. Some folks are not geared for College and better off in trade school. The trades can use some new blood as well.
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I'm not sure about free, although I do find the experiments in some states with free community college to be interesting. I do know that we have to do something to bring college costs under control, because tuition rates have been skyrocketing since I graduated from HS in 1997.
I think that one element of this is public funding of higher education; even public colleges and universities receive very little state funding. The average state school receives less that 2% of its annual budget monies from the state, and even the most generous states tend to contribute only about 9% of their universities budget. So, the schools are forced to seek money elsewhere, and these sources (research grants, tuition increases, student loan kickbacks, alumni donations, etc.) are frequently unfriendly to students (e.g., professors doing research increases university prestige at the expense of devoting time to serving students). If we return to a model of better public funding for our public institutions of higher education, I believe that would help to control tuition costs.
I think that one element of this is public funding of higher education; even public colleges and universities receive very little state funding. The average state school receives less that 2% of its annual budget monies from the state, and even the most generous states tend to contribute only about 9% of their universities budget. So, the schools are forced to seek money elsewhere, and these sources (research grants, tuition increases, student loan kickbacks, alumni donations, etc.) are frequently unfriendly to students (e.g., professors doing research increases university prestige at the expense of devoting time to serving students). If we return to a model of better public funding for our public institutions of higher education, I believe that would help to control tuition costs.
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State schools yes, but you need to give something back for it though. Many states offer NG members free tuition to state colleges/universities and that is a huge win-win! Taking a state job after graduation or other such trade-off programs could be an incentive.
Private schools could never afford it though they appear to be free if you can put a ball in a hoop or between 2 uprights.
Private schools could never afford it though they appear to be free if you can put a ball in a hoop or between 2 uprights.
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SSgt (Join to see)
Well we do get TA, which helps a lot for members to pick a school that works for them. However, as I mentioned above, the name recognition alone makes it where state schools charge more. I'm not sure how it works out, if the state schools get cutbacks or what. Thats pretty cool that NG get free schooling at certain schools, no ROTC requirement or anything?
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I don't think it should be free. I understand that some programs should cost more than others due to some of the technical programs, to be able to keep the programs funded and new technologies out there to replace some of the older ones. I also don't think that college should be so expensive that it is hard to get in due to funding. I think if it was cheaper that there would be more college graduates in the US.
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SGM (Join to see) Nothing is free. The question is who pays. In the cited European nations the payer is the populace at large with hefty taxes. SSgt Alexander Ingram the price of education is indeed increasing, the reasons behind it can be complex but the biggest drivers are simple: more people than ever want more education, demand up, supply same, cost up.
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CMSgt Theriault, I think it would water down what a degree would mean though. If your expected to have one, and everyone would, then how would you pick the most qualified employee? It wouldn't show initiative or drive because it would be required of everyone. And then for the military, where getting an education shows drive for improvement, would people be expected to go for masters or doctorates?
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Capt Porter, very true...freedom isn't free. Someone pays for it with their blood.
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CMSgt Ray Theriault
James Gallegos --- I understand your point and agree that more may be expected from all if a degree were more financially available in America. However, I see that as good as well, since a rising tide means better swimmers and a more educated country.
Lastly -- I saw where you stated you hoped to get to be an instructor. I've got some insights (all positive) on that (AETC) type of career move if you're interested.
Cheers.
Lastly -- I saw where you stated you hoped to get to be an instructor. I've got some insights (all positive) on that (AETC) type of career move if you're interested.
Cheers.
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Chief Theriault, of course sir, the more information the better! I see your point though, in order to stay ahead we all need to be educated. I guess I worry a bit about "balance" as right now many people I work with have bachelors or higher... and are E-5's or E-6's.
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you get what you pay for. One of the biggest problems with "free" college for everybody is you will, in short order, have millions of people with virtually useless college degrees because there aren't enough jobs. And yet many companies are struggling to find enough skilled tradesmen to fill their positions. Back in the day, if you had a BS degree you could pretty much write your own ticket because not many people had them. Then more and more people started getting degrees and a BS became the equivalent of a HS diploma. It's basic supply and demand.
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