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Boehner keeps promising to sue Obama for this thing or the other and it never happens. There's a reason for that.
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Sgt Tom Cunnally
Apparently some members of congress got a classified briefing on the Iran Nuclear Deal and it set their hair on fire. They are going to stop this deal someway, somehow, and a law suit seems like a stretch but nothing surprises me anymore in Washington DC..
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LTC John Shaw
SGT Jeremiah B. Sgt Tom Cunnally Agreed, the GOP base is not seeing any results from electing a GOP House or Senate, so what is the point. Boehner and McConnell will give in on every issue. See isn't compromise fun!
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A friend sent me this video that was never meant to go public. Secretary Of State John Kerry invited Admiral Ace Lyons to speak at a private meeting. I'm sure he regrets doing so. This is a short video, and you're not going to believe what Admiral Lyons said.
https://www.facebook.com/adrian.ionescu.376/videos/ [login to see] 010913/?fref=nf
https://www.facebook.com/adrian.ionescu.376/videos/ [login to see] 010913/?fref=nf
Stunning Video the world was never supposed to see.... Secty. of State John Kerry introduces Admiral Ace Lyons to speak at a private meeting. He...
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SSG (Join to see)
YES! Congress it's your duty to stop ANY dirty deal that will hurt the U.S. and the world!
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Is this the real reason Obama is giving Iran $11.9 billion? - Allen B. West - AllenBWest.com
If you feel this is acceptable, you are very wrong.
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LTC John Shaw
CPT (Join to see) I missed this earlier, interesting article, I have not seen this information any where else. Valerie Jarret the Iranian influence behind the President.
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/08/8_4_2015_13_24.html
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/08/8_4_2015_13_24.html
Articles: Agents of Influence? -- Huma Abedin and Valerie Jarrett
Somehow the conclusion by State Department investigators that Huma Abedin, close associate and friend of former Secretary of State and presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, was overpaid by some $10,000 as she worked at a State Department job specifically created just for her, does not surprise. Abedin, who is expected to assume the same Rasputin-like role in a Hillary Clinton administration as Valerie Jarrett does for President Obama, has...
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I voted for full transparency. I heard an interview on CNN earlier today with the White House Press Secretary, and he addressed just this issue. Although I'm not a fan of this administration, I liked what this fellow (Mr. Josh Earnest) had to say. Namely, that Congress holds a lot of power when it comes to this deal with Iran regarding nuclear weapons. Mr. Earnest suggested that we wait and see if the deal gets us where we want to be in regards to Iran and its nuclear aspirations. If it does - many months (or even years) down the road - then we (Congress) can ease up on the crippling sanctions. And if it doesn't, then Congress can keep the sanctions in place and keep Iran on its knees.
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LTC John Shaw
Chief, Agreed.
Full Transparency seems to be an issue with any administration and this one is more difficult because the US published reports are being disagreed with by the Iranians as soon as they are published. The framework may just be spin that no deal is reached and the negotiations continue.
Full Transparency seems to be an issue with any administration and this one is more difficult because the US published reports are being disagreed with by the Iranians as soon as they are published. The framework may just be spin that no deal is reached and the negotiations continue.
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LTC John Shaw
SSgt Khanh Pham Not clear on why you make this comment, or what your opinion is on how Congress should act.
The US has no interest in promoting nuclear materials spreading throughout the Middle East. Happy to have the discussion, just not clear on what your argument is.
The US has no interest in promoting nuclear materials spreading throughout the Middle East. Happy to have the discussion, just not clear on what your argument is.
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I'm sorry. Why are the House and the Speaker involved in this? I thought treaty negotiation was between the Executive and the Senate.
Iran's capability to create a nuclear weapon is arguably the global issue most likely to precipitate war. If war should only be used as a last resort, then isn't a diplomatic solution preferable?
This deal does not strike me as the most controversial thing going on in the world today. How does Iran's ability to get a bomb measure up against the Cold War in the 1950s? It is not comparable.
Important questions remain for those on both sides of the issue. If sanctions could not stop Iran from getting the materials for a bomb, what do you propose; war? On the other hand, is this deal just weak tea that punts the issue to another generation?
Iran's capability to create a nuclear weapon is arguably the global issue most likely to precipitate war. If war should only be used as a last resort, then isn't a diplomatic solution preferable?
This deal does not strike me as the most controversial thing going on in the world today. How does Iran's ability to get a bomb measure up against the Cold War in the 1950s? It is not comparable.
Important questions remain for those on both sides of the issue. If sanctions could not stop Iran from getting the materials for a bomb, what do you propose; war? On the other hand, is this deal just weak tea that punts the issue to another generation?
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LTC John Shaw
LTC (Join to see) If only we followed the Constitution! This is not a Treaty, if it was you are correct, the President and 2/3 of the Senate. This is an 'agreement' that is NOT following the constitution but follow the rules laid out in the Iran Nuclear Agreement Review Act.
Why do you say, go to war? That is the Administration's Strawman argument, how about just keeping the sanctions in place and not reward the Iranians with $150B to blow up you, me and our friends the next time we are deployed?
Weak deal, that is my concern, I have four children and I don't want them fighting something my generation can resolve.
We all want peace, do we get it by a bad deal and sign it anyway and hope the Iranians don't actually mean what they say when they talk about wiping out Israel and the Great Satan. Sometimes people mean what they say.
http://www.corker.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/iran-nuclear-agreement-review-act
Why do you say, go to war? That is the Administration's Strawman argument, how about just keeping the sanctions in place and not reward the Iranians with $150B to blow up you, me and our friends the next time we are deployed?
Weak deal, that is my concern, I have four children and I don't want them fighting something my generation can resolve.
We all want peace, do we get it by a bad deal and sign it anyway and hope the Iranians don't actually mean what they say when they talk about wiping out Israel and the Great Satan. Sometimes people mean what they say.
http://www.corker.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/iran-nuclear-agreement-review-act
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Alright. I posted another post to get folks familiar with the deal. Here is an article to get folks an idea of why or why not suing would be "worthwhile"
http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/12/politics/iran-nuclear-deal-treaty-obama-administration/
This really boils down to whether you think the President is violating the INTENT of the Constitution. Is the Iran Deal a Treaty or is it Not a Treaty. In essence, if he is negotiating with a Foreign Power and it requires Senate Approval. That's the crux of the argument.
If it's a Treaty, he's "Power Grabbing" and the Senate is correct to sue. If it's not a Treaty, then he doesn't need the Senate. That's the argument in a nutshell.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/12/politics/iran-nuclear-deal-treaty-obama-administration/
This really boils down to whether you think the President is violating the INTENT of the Constitution. Is the Iran Deal a Treaty or is it Not a Treaty. In essence, if he is negotiating with a Foreign Power and it requires Senate Approval. That's the crux of the argument.
If it's a Treaty, he's "Power Grabbing" and the Senate is correct to sue. If it's not a Treaty, then he doesn't need the Senate. That's the argument in a nutshell.
Iran deal: A treaty or not? - CNNPolitics.com
If it looks like a treaty, walks like a treaty and talks like a treaty, is it a treaty? When it comes to the Iran nuclear deal, not necessarily.
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LTC John Shaw
Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS It would not pass as a treaty with 2/3 approval in the Senate, both parties know it. The Senate leadership and President Obama reached a compromise on an 'agreement' and now the GOP can act like they want to be tough and President Obama can be the world's peacemaker. The deal will pass and let's hope the Iranians will follow the agreement. Soon enough the next administration will have to see if we can verify any of the terms of the agreement.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
LTC John Shaw I get that, and agree 100% with your assessment.
This particular post was before this thread was merged, back when it was the Congressman Boehner sues the President rants. I'm not even sure he would have had standing, since the House isn't involved in the Treaty process. SCOTUS may have just told him to pound sand (refused to hear).
Personally I think it's a power grab, which should we should be constantly be wary of, and any Senator worth his salt should be suing, just because. Don't give up more power than you can. Make him go through the right steps, because if you let him do it now... the next time he does it, you won't be able to stop him. And that's without getting into the nuts and bolts of the deal itself. It's not like there aren't Israeli commandos on speeddial.
This particular post was before this thread was merged, back when it was the Congressman Boehner sues the President rants. I'm not even sure he would have had standing, since the House isn't involved in the Treaty process. SCOTUS may have just told him to pound sand (refused to hear).
Personally I think it's a power grab, which should we should be constantly be wary of, and any Senator worth his salt should be suing, just because. Don't give up more power than you can. Make him go through the right steps, because if you let him do it now... the next time he does it, you won't be able to stop him. And that's without getting into the nuts and bolts of the deal itself. It's not like there aren't Israeli commandos on speeddial.
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PolitiFact Sheet: 6 things to know about the Iran nuclear deal
With 41 Senate Democrats backing the historic agreement between Iran and five world powers, the Iran nuclear deal is on its way to becoming a done deal, notching a foreign-policy win for President Barack Obama. Yet the debate is far from over. Republican presidential hopefuls Donald Trump and Ted Cruz, flanked by Sarah Palin, appeared at a Stop the Iran Deal Rally on Sept. 9. They and other critics say the deal gives away too much to Iran,...
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Sgt Tom Cunnally
Washington (CNN)—House Speaker John Boehner said Thursday that President Barack Obama violated the law because he didn't give Congress all the information on the Iran nuclear deal and said congressional Republicans may take legal action to block the agreement.
"That is an option that is very possible," Boehner said about a lawsuit.
Boehner vowed the fight was just beginning, telling reporters at his weekly press conference, "This is a bad deal with decades-long consequences for the security of the American people and our allies, and we'll use every tool at our disposal to stop, slow and delay this agreement from being fully implemented."
Boehner's comments came shortly before action was expected in the Senate and the House on the deal.
"That is an option that is very possible," Boehner said about a lawsuit.
Boehner vowed the fight was just beginning, telling reporters at his weekly press conference, "This is a bad deal with decades-long consequences for the security of the American people and our allies, and we'll use every tool at our disposal to stop, slow and delay this agreement from being fully implemented."
Boehner's comments came shortly before action was expected in the Senate and the House on the deal.
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Sgt Tom Cunnally - Can you please provide some background on this topic to help the community understand more of what is going on?
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Sgt Tom Cunnally
Boehner claims that he has several options to prevent the Iran Nuclear Deal & filing a lawsuit against Obama for misleading the congress and country is on the table.. He is also faced with a revolt from the conservative wing of his caucus who want to stop this Iran Deal or else he is history..
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LTC John Shaw
SGT Ben Keen Sgt Tom Cunnally Looks like the House can do what they want. If no vote in the Senate, the Iranian agreement 'passes'.
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Boehner is just posturing again... because he has to know if he files a law suit and the courts reject it he will be finished in congress.
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