Posted on Oct 18, 2017
CW2 Aviation Mission Survivability Officer (Amso)
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I just recently received reservation emails for Phase 1/2 of WOCS and WOBC. My command team is trying to force me to push back my WOCS school date so I stay through the deployment with them. Can this even be done and is it legal? I’ve already gone through so much resistance with my BN Commander on this and now that he knows I’m leaving for WOCS, he’s trying to push back my report date.
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CW4 Anthoney Lowry
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don't push back your date. your unit will deploy with or without you. Your unit is thinking what is best for them and not what is best for you. If you don't take care of your career nobody else will.
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CW2 Aviation Mission Survivability Officer (Amso)
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I’m almost scared that if I don’t get the date moved that they will find some way to get it moved
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CW2 Automotive Maintenance Warrant Officer
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I wouldn't push the dates back voluntarily. I am pretty sure they don't want to explain why you are a no show and wasting valuable seats. You probably aren't going back to that unit when you are done and if you see them again you will be on the other side of the fence. If they want you to stay, let them make the move. That's just what I would do in the same situation.
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CW2 Aviation Mission Survivability Officer (Amso)
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So the BN Commander can have my date moved if I don’t move it myself? CW2 (Join to see)
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CW2 Automotive Maintenance Warrant Officer
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No, stand firm don't let them scare you. Unless you have a special MOS that there is a shortage of and he can justify needing to keep you for the mission. Even if that is the case there is someone else with that skill set that can deploy in your place. I can tell you that there is definitely a shortage of Warrant Officers in almost every MOS.
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CW2 Aviation Mission Survivability Officer (Amso)
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Question update: I spoken with my BN Chain of Command concerning my WOCS date, they have agreed to let me go. Thank you all for your input and advice!
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CSM Charles Hayden
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Best wishes!
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CW2 Aviation Mission Survivability Officer (Amso)
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Thank you very much CSM Charles Hayden !
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WO1 William Steimel
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Good Luck!
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CW2 Aviation Mission Survivability Officer (Amso)
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WO1 William Steimel Thank you very much! I’m looking forward to it!
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Should I push my WOCS date back?
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A deferment for WOCS is done voluntarily and on a case by case basis. A deployment is a valid reason, but once again it is your decision since you were HQDA selected for WOCS.
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CW5 Sam R. Baker
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Unfortunately the chain of command CAN delay your report date. The folks commenting are making assumptions and trust me, commanders make the Army go around. I personally have had two NCOs in my unit selected and had their courses delayed to the following fiscal year for deployment. Operational requirements or the thought that they need you will always give way to your personal goals. In the matter of mandated PME, I was canceled/postponed from courses five times for CTC rotations that were deemed more important. It takes one email or a phone call from your commander to HRC to place a delay or hold on your attendance. It is best to work with the chain of command and convince them that the work you will do for the service as a whole as a warrant officer is for the greater good. One key point I must make after 30 years in the Army. Commanders are about their brief time in command and if they deem you or your presence mandatory for their success, then you will go once their done. The gaps in transition from one commander to the next are the optimal times to move up and out to career enhancing opportunities. Not what you want to hear, but it's gospel as I've come to realize.
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CW5 Sam R. Baker
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Torian, I wish I could concur, but nothing is further from the truth.
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1LT Battalion Personnel Officer (S1)
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Mr. Baker,

Please forgive me for giving out erroneous info. My guidance was based on a similar scenario with a former Soldier of mine. Situations like this are unique and specific in nature, and the results do vary on a case by case basis. Thank you for providing your advice to SSG Enright!
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CW5 Sam R. Baker
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1LT (Join to see) - SSG Parker, no issue, just wanted to NCO to know what he was up against, but I always advise the commander and the Soldier to go when selected unless DEROG has entered the situation.
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CW2 Christopher Esparza
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Pushing your date back is the last thing you should do. Your unit will deploy with or without you, but until you graduate WOCS your unit will not be authorized your replacement. Hence the reason your command is asking you to push the date. They know they can't do anything and are hoping to get you to do it voluntarily. If your BN Commander really wants to go head to head with HQ DA G1 then best of luck to him. But lets look at this another way, the pocket. Lets assume you have 8 years TIS. The difference in base pay E-6 to W-1 is $711 per month. Multiply that by a 12 month deployment and you just kissed $8532 goodbye. You need to work your own career. By choosing the route to become a Warrant Officer your taken the first step, but don't make it your last. If you defer now they may not want you later.
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CW2 Aviation Mission Survivability Officer (Amso)
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I definitely don’t want to defer it and I have expressed that to them. I believe my CSM has my back on the whole situation and is making sure I get to go. Since we are deployed, I understand that they don’t want to lose me, but my job can be filled if they allow someone else to step up to fill the position. Thank you for your insight Mr. Esparza!
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CW3 Property Accounting Technician
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Do not push back your date
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LTJG Edward Bangor Jr
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I would dig into the regs about what the requirements are for an operational hold on keeping you at your command. On the Navy side, an OPHOLD is only something a command can request, and unless your MOS is super critical, OPHOLDs can and do get rejected. The ones I've seen approved were always for somebody who was a 1 of 1/2 in our manning, meaning losing them is actually problematic. I've seen divisions without CPOs for months, during deployment, so I'd wager your command might not have a whole lot of ability to keep you if your skill-set is fairly common.
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CW2 Aviation Mission Survivability Officer (Amso)
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Thank you sir, I’ll have to look into that. My MOS is very common and they definitely have people that they can use to replace me, but they see it as an inconvenience. Seems to me like they don’t care because it’s not their career that’s being put on hold.
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LTJG Edward Bangor Jr
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CW2 (Join to see) - It's not to say that they can't try to hold you, but knowing the regs might help assuage some of your fears. If the requirements for an OPHOLD don't apply to you, you have much less to worry about. If you think it's being done against regs, you have some ammo to work with your detailer and get to your school. Knowing and understanding the rules, be they ROEs, personnel regs, or traffic laws can make your life easier wherever you are.

I hope WOCS goes well for you. I know I've really appreciated the Warrants I've worked with and learned from.
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CW2 Aviation Mission Survivability Officer (Amso)
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Thank you again sir, I’ve spoken with my Commander and he is going to look into it for me with our Legal.
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CW2 Human Intelligence Collection Technician
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Dude, get it done.

Seriously.
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No idea how it works in Army, but once selected in USMC you get a set of orders. TAD for school leading to PCS, and you have to report when ordered. The Command had no influence over your report date because there was only one WOBC Class per year and you were ordered to attend. I had recently moved to the 11th MEU and we were involved in the CONUS workups for a WESTPAC deployment. We relocated from Camp Pendleton to 29 Palms to support a 3d Marine Regiment CAX out of Hawaii as part of our pre-deployment training. I deployed to 29 Palms because there was ample time before being sworn in, and it was a good evolution. There was some flexibility with leave dates etc but my report date was outlined in my orders per HQMC. Maybe it's different in Army, but as others have stated don't worry about your present unit. Don't burn any bridges, but they were fine before you got there and will survive when you're gone. You are your best advocate and need to do what is best to prepare yourself for the challenges ahead. If you encounter issues with the Command handle them professionally via the Chain of Command and if need be, utilize those at the appropriate agency at Army HQ to weigh in. Good luck.
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WO1 Property Accounting Technician
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Do what you want but know that the sooner you start the sooner you can begin
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CW2 Aviation Mission Survivability Officer (Amso)
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I’ve decided and discussed it over with my CSM. I will be attending the school on time.
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CW2 Information Services Technician
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That is ridiculous. GO TO WOCS!!! They can be upset, but your on orders and when you finish WOCS you will be on orders to WOBC, and your old unit will be old news.
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CW3 Kevin Storm
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Take a school when you can get a school. Your commander will get by. If you have any Warrants in your unit have them talk to your leadership. If needed contact the school and see if there is someone who can help you. Every deployment will always have the "I can't afford to lose you person." I have to wonder if this commander is more worried about himself or his soldiers. A commander who doesn't look at what is best for the needs of the service in the future is IMHO very short sited.
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Don't push your dates back! From what everyone here is saying I'm guessing they have no way to do it themselves which is why they are trying to get you to do it voluntarily. My command is trying the same type of stuff. Think bigger than this deployment, You were selected for a reason- because the Army needs you! See you at WOCS : )
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CW2 Aviation Mission Survivability Officer (Amso)
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WO1 (Join to see) Did you get selected also?
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Yes, I'll be there in March if everything goes right
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Its entirely up to you. The army is designed so that there should not be any single points of failure in terms of personnel. I ran into the same issue. They tried to force me to sign a deferment, but DA G1 and WOCS trumps the unit. I went, and they got a replacement for me shortly after. It was definitely a stressor for my unit, but you have to take care of yourself, too. The unit will go on with or without you.
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CW2 Aviation Mission Survivability Officer (Amso)
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I fully agree! I 1000% don’t want to defer my date whatsoever, but because we are deployed (non-combat, I may add) they feel that I should defer my date to a later time. I won’t do it. Not voluntary deferment at least. If my BN Commander calls HRC, does he have the power to push back my WOCS/WOBC dates? WO1 (Join to see)
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CW2 (Join to see) - NO he doesnt have the power to push your date! It will only happen if you voluntarily let it happen even then HRC can still say no and will most likely do so.
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CW2 Aviation Mission Survivability Officer (Amso)
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Thank you Mr. Copeland! I getting the general consensus that he can’t push it back, which is good because I’m ready to go.
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CPT Aaron Kletzing
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dont push back your date.
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WO1 Information Services Technician
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Don’t push your date back. The unit will survive with or without you.
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CW2 Aviation Mission Survivability Officer (Amso)
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Roger chief, I got the go ahead from my unit. All is good now.
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CW2 Network Management Technician
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Don't do it. Go to WOCS and keep moving forward in your career. Also, if you don't go now, there will be an empty seat that someone could be filling but isn't because you were selected over them.
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