Posted on Mar 15, 2016
Should I report unprofessional behavior through the Chain of Command or an IG complaint?
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Thank you,
-RP Staff
Recently was involved in an one way exchange with a CPT in which she directed towards a Senior NCO (SFC) in a derogatory, belittling and denigrating expressing her personal feelings toward such SFC. Since this is to get get a general consensus of what should be done, I would like to leave out names and places out but can include that the CPT's comments towards the SFC included: "you are a sorry a$$ excuse of an NCO", " you are the biggest piece of $hit I know" and continued to go on not just about such Senior NCO but included the family members.
Considering that if this was a lower to an NCO doing this, the Soldier would be crucified. If this was an NCO to an officer?, someone would be out of a job.
I heard one day that the moment you lose your bearing you lost the argument. So the SFC did the right thing by keeping professionally quiet and bringing up to the supervisor. Situation is now: such CPT has gone around telling Soldiers how "she ripped in to this SFC with a grin"...
What would be some appropriate ways to handle this situation?
Thank you,
-RP Staff
Recently was involved in an one way exchange with a CPT in which she directed towards a Senior NCO (SFC) in a derogatory, belittling and denigrating expressing her personal feelings toward such SFC. Since this is to get get a general consensus of what should be done, I would like to leave out names and places out but can include that the CPT's comments towards the SFC included: "you are a sorry a$$ excuse of an NCO", " you are the biggest piece of $hit I know" and continued to go on not just about such Senior NCO but included the family members.
Considering that if this was a lower to an NCO doing this, the Soldier would be crucified. If this was an NCO to an officer?, someone would be out of a job.
I heard one day that the moment you lose your bearing you lost the argument. So the SFC did the right thing by keeping professionally quiet and bringing up to the supervisor. Situation is now: such CPT has gone around telling Soldiers how "she ripped in to this SFC with a grin"...
What would be some appropriate ways to handle this situation?
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This officer has no Bussiness doing this in front of pepole. Time for IG because officers protect one another. The IG will investigate it will go in her record. May stop her from making Major. Career will be slowed at least.
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I'm wondering if it would also be appropriate to retain Area Defense Counsel, just in case, as this is pursued up the Chain of Command, just to make sure that the SFC is in compliance with UCMJ, Army and DoD regulations and directives as well?
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The first question any IG is going to ask, is did you use your Chain of Command to report the incident and what was the outcome? I absolutely support what COL Lenertz recommends. I will state for the record though that even though you perceive wrong doing and inappropriate behavior, the community is only seeing a portion of the situation - you may not see the outcome you expect.
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This is why women don't belong in the military. If a male Capt did this in an Infantry unit the SFC wouldn't have just stood there.....
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It's all on that SFC now. I know what my collar can afford, and would not have maintained bearing by choice at mention of family. My guess is this SFC know the CPT is a peice of shit and forgot about about it as soon as it was over.
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Don't you wish you could say you piece of shit bag of ass you no more deserve a commission than the man in the moon.
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Pretty pathetic, if I was that NCO in question at the moment I would have responded by saying, "No wonder I'm what you stated I have such great Leadership Examples being shown to me at the moment "!!!
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The Captain could have justified anything she had to say when tearing into the SFC. Unfortunately for her, making the situation personal by talking at all about him s family became, conduct unbecoming and this is the time to show her the door.
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Here we go again... Another case of toxic leadership. I don't know what that NCO could have done to deserve such treatment and frankly I don't care. Leadership is about the people you lead not you. Never mind the fact that she took matters into her own hands and left the 1SGT out of it. It is this nonsense right here that raises attrition rates and lowers re-enlistment rates. Ask yourself this question: how did she get that way? Has this behavior been fostered in some way? If so, then use of the CoC will be in vein. Use it anyway to cover your bases. Just know that you are probably heading into a dark and lonely forest.
Yours truly,
SGT Cynicism
Yours truly,
SGT Cynicism
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A LT during a field op walked up to a LCpl and all he got out was "Your wife". After the junior officer woke up from being knocked out by the Marine they were brought before the CO. The LT wanted to charge the LCpl with assault. The CO asked the Marine why did he knock out the LT. Response was "I did not like the tone he had when he said My wife and I didn't give him a chance to say anything else about my wife." Captain looked over to the LT and responded "Looks like you learned your lesson about talking about another Marines' family, don't ever do that again"
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