Posted on Apr 4, 2014
Should Military Police be required to meet the same requirements as Civilian Police Officers ?
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Civilian police officers must be 21 yrs old in order to be employed as a police officer. They must also attend a police academy that is several months long and pass the Police Officers Selection Test (POST). Law enforcement on a military installation involves the same crimes as the civilian sector but many MP's are very young and only attend a few weeks of the MP school. Under the Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act (LEOSA) MP's are now recognized as Federal Law Enforcement Officers yet they are not qualified to serve as police officers anywhere in the US. However under LEOSA they will soon ( with the proper credentials) be able to carry a concealed weapon nation wide regardless of state and local concealed carry law reciprocity. I firmly believe that all personnel wishing to serve as MP's should have to be 21yrs of age or older, have to attend the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center (FLETC) and pass the POST exam before being allowed to serve as an MP. This not only ensures that they are thoroughly qualified like everyone else, but also certifies them so that should they leave the Army they are qualified to serve in the civilian world.
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No. They need to be held to higher standards. Far higher.
The military has an absolutely valuable resource with the MPs. You got them under contract, they aren't going anywhere. Put them through a higher standard of rigor. It doesn't have to be made as onerous as SF training, but longer and more in depth.
The military has an absolutely valuable resource with the MPs. You got them under contract, they aren't going anywhere. Put them through a higher standard of rigor. It doesn't have to be made as onerous as SF training, but longer and more in depth.
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i was never an mp in the military, but i served 8 years in the Navy. I am now a Chief of Police in the civilian world and i have a nephew that is a mp in the Army. we have had discussions that leads me to believe that an mp could use alot more training. the training should be modeled after civilian training, as the training is formatted in a military style. give them the same training and certify them as police officers. therefore when they decide to retire or transition out of the military they are ready to go straight into a new job as a civialan police officer
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I'm not sure. It's been a long time since I've seen an MP enforce law on a base. Who are the civilians that enforce law on most bases? What kind of training do these guys go through and what certifications do they have. If our MPs are getting the same training, that's wrong in my opinion.
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SMSgt Thor Merich
Many AF bases use DOD Police or Security Guards to augment Security Forces. They receive the same training as the Security Forces units and report to the same security Forces chain of command.
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I know, by know means A LEO. I have very little training.There was an 11 week coarse shoved into 4 weeks. We went over a lot of stuff. Reports, UCMJ, and Patrol tactics. Had some firing time. Then switched to field, entering and clearing buildings, Hasty traffic entry points, ECP's and ACP's. I would love to see an accredited LEO coarse and to be grandfathered in to it. Or to be allowed to go to GA and attend that class, as the Army would pay just like any other school at Rucker or where ever. That way the younger joes could get a job on the outside. And as far as the looking down on MP's that are trying for a job, I have been approached twice because they found out I was an MP! Just don't meet the age requirement. They say you don't look that old!!
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SPC Arnold Duncan
I'm with ya on this, I have trained at Ft. Lost in the woods myself and I too was approached until they found out how old I was, its just a shame because have of the police officers I meet are so out of shape it isn't funny. I can out run and out gun them.
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SMSgt Thor Merich
No maximum age requirement in California for LEO's. You just have to be able to make the PT standards.
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I disagree. The vast majority of calls don't involve advanced training and most MPs do not go on to law enforcement after service. Full LEO training would be a waste of time.
Edit: I'm not sure why RP brought up a topic from 2014 but I can't seem to delete it so oh well.
Edit: I'm not sure why RP brought up a topic from 2014 but I can't seem to delete it so oh well.
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they should already be, the MP's do the same things, we just lower our age standards to 18 where I work still have to attend POST if its for a state, county, or city agency but if they have met federal standards then they should get hired with the amount of experience they are leaving the armed forces with. My agency is always in need of more office, but we a state agency but our POST academy for our agency is 5 weeks and its not any tougher than an MOSQ school.
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As a former MP, I pretty much agree with you. When I got into the MP Corps from the Medical Corps, I was 22. I will say that some great MP's that I supervised were under 21 and very few were sub-standard soldiers or MP's.
According to a briefing our MP reunion group got at the MP School at Ft. Leonard Wood, there are several LE departments - mostly Sheriff Dept's - that accept MP training as sufficient and hire former MP's. The training they get today is much better than "back when." Still, I agree on the age limit being at least 21.
The Navy, when they first started their Master At Arms (MAS) force, required candidates to be at least a PO 2nd Class (E-5) and 21 years of age. They went to the Army MP Investigator's Course at first; but the last I read, they use the USAF training. Prior to the MAA MOS rating, the Navy used Shore Patrols made up of an assortment of sailors. Many were assigned to "Armed Forces Police" units in various larger cities (Wash, D.C., Chicago, etc).
According to a briefing our MP reunion group got at the MP School at Ft. Leonard Wood, there are several LE departments - mostly Sheriff Dept's - that accept MP training as sufficient and hire former MP's. The training they get today is much better than "back when." Still, I agree on the age limit being at least 21.
The Navy, when they first started their Master At Arms (MAS) force, required candidates to be at least a PO 2nd Class (E-5) and 21 years of age. They went to the Army MP Investigator's Course at first; but the last I read, they use the USAF training. Prior to the MAA MOS rating, the Navy used Shore Patrols made up of an assortment of sailors. Many were assigned to "Armed Forces Police" units in various larger cities (Wash, D.C., Chicago, etc).
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I’m not an MP, so I have no idea the level of training they receive, so no opinion there. However, in regards to Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act (LEOSA) I’m against it. Not just for MP’s, but for all law enforcement. I’m not anti-cop, but I am against giving them a special status. Police are civilians. I don’t think they deserve any special privileges than any other citizen. Once you’re out of your jurisdiction you should need whatever permit or licensing the rest of us need in order to carry.
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SFC Ron Peck
Reading the comments here leads me to believe that a lot has changed since I was an MP 95B. I spent 8 weeks at Ft Knox KY for BCT and then spent 8 weeks at Ft Gordon GA for 95B for ATC in 1973. After that I went to Ft Hood TX and was assigned to 1st Cav MPs were I road or drove as the Senior patrolman decided for about 6 Months. After that I became the senior patrolman or I should say senior patrol person, because women were now entering the MOS.
MPs not only had to be able to enforce the UCMJ, they also had to know the local and state laws. We also did ride along patrols with the locals in Killen TX. We also had to train for POW handling and riot control. We also trained for our war time missions providing security for Division CP and TOC, route security, and other facility security.
I always felt we were better trained to be a LEO then most local and county police were trained.
I stayed in the MPs up until 1986 and served in all positions up to include PLT Sgt, Ops Sgt, and Patrol supervisor. I also worked with local LEOs at Ft Campbell were they trained with us. I also did ride along with the Polizei in FRG. Had a top secret clearance providing security for nuclear weapons in 2 locations. Conducted anti-terrorist training and Air assault training while in FRG during the Red Army and Baader-Meinhof Gang days
Additional training we received was Traffic accident investigation, MP Investigation, BNOC & ANOC and conducted weapons training every 6 months and drug tested every month. I guess a lot has changed
MPs not only had to be able to enforce the UCMJ, they also had to know the local and state laws. We also did ride along patrols with the locals in Killen TX. We also had to train for POW handling and riot control. We also trained for our war time missions providing security for Division CP and TOC, route security, and other facility security.
I always felt we were better trained to be a LEO then most local and county police were trained.
I stayed in the MPs up until 1986 and served in all positions up to include PLT Sgt, Ops Sgt, and Patrol supervisor. I also worked with local LEOs at Ft Campbell were they trained with us. I also did ride along with the Polizei in FRG. Had a top secret clearance providing security for nuclear weapons in 2 locations. Conducted anti-terrorist training and Air assault training while in FRG during the Red Army and Baader-Meinhof Gang days
Additional training we received was Traffic accident investigation, MP Investigation, BNOC & ANOC and conducted weapons training every 6 months and drug tested every month. I guess a lot has changed
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SMSgt Thor Merich
I have to disagree with you about police being the same as civilians. My basic academy was over 750+ hours of training that civilians don't get. That's just the beginning, I average over 80 hours of training a year, plus another 4-8 hours of firearms training every month. Most states require a maximum of a 2 week firearms class and very little or no recurring training to get a CCW.
If the average citizen had the same training that I did, we would be the same. But they don't. I am all for the 2nd Amendment and ALL law abiding citizens right to carry, whether concealed or not. But to say the Joe Citizen is the same as your average cop is completely wrong.
If the average citizen had the same training that I did, we would be the same. But they don't. I am all for the 2nd Amendment and ALL law abiding citizens right to carry, whether concealed or not. But to say the Joe Citizen is the same as your average cop is completely wrong.
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SMSgt Thor Merich, then your PD is not the norm. Many do not train as often as you state you do. I still disagree with the special privilege of being able to carry in all 50 states. A police officer has no greater right to self defense than the rest of us.
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SMSgt Thor Merich
SFC (Join to see) - We agree on one thing. A police officer does NOT have a greater right to self defense than anyone else. But instead of taking a right away from some, the better thing to do is extend that right to all. However, current politics (especially in my state) is pretty much anti-gun and anti-honest citizens having the right to defend themselves, their loved ones, and their property.
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