Posted on Nov 20, 2019
Should President Trump provide credibility back to UCMJ by charging to start with: Admiral Green, Adm Gilday, Secretary Spencer?
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For dereliction of Duty, Insubordination, and whatever else fits for their efforts to work around the Commander in Chiefs wish for the military.
In my opinion Green should immediately face the maximum reduction in Rank and be dishonorably discharged by President Trump.
In my opinion Green should immediately face the maximum reduction in Rank and be dishonorably discharged by President Trump.
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Senior Leaders
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This is a rather obtuse question as the former SECNAV is a civilian. Followed by the question of what specific acts did or did not these Admirals do to warrant UCMJ action?
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It doesn’t matter what the opinions you have, the facts are as the constitution sets forth, that we are all Oath bound by, that the end decision is made by the civilian leadership. What this means for the military service members and the civilian government is follow the constitution and willingly do what you’re supposed to and support it as if it is your own idea. This has been lost in the last few years and not for the better, it’s starting to sound like the 70’s and lack of discipline can be pervasive. If you don’t agree fine, but remember your oaths and those taken by the leaders that failed in theirs, they’re guilty of not following the orders of those appointed over them and not living up to the spirit of the orders and the constitution.
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SP6 Christopher Haydon
This is mostly the way I feel...but I also know that an illegal order does not have to be obeyed. The Constitution is in jeopardy because of the degradation of the separation of powers. Our legislators have been bought.
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Yes he should , the people in question used the UCMJ to execute a policy of political correct words and deeds , they abused their power , they abandoned the war fighters in favor of their political masters in the Democrat party. They abandoned good order and displine in favor of what plays well with the press and their Democrat masters .
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SP6 Christopher Haydon
That's pretty hard to swallow. I question your understanding of the Geneva Convention and our general morality in the military.
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well in a perfect world scenario i would agree strongly, this will be debatable for the next 100 years or more, one thing i do know, we wont be around to see it one way or another.
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I totally disagree with you since you have n’t work in the special Force Community.
This folks are in a different level therefore many Soldiers had taken pictures with dead bodies, it doesn’t constitute a call marshal or rent deduction.
This isn’t a rule or policy too stop them from doing what they do.
Unless you have experience with SF Community you will understand why they do what they do.
This folks are in a different level therefore many Soldiers had taken pictures with dead bodies, it doesn’t constitute a call marshal or rent deduction.
This isn’t a rule or policy too stop them from doing what they do.
Unless you have experience with SF Community you will understand why they do what they do.
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SPENCER'S SIDE DEAL?
Esper gave new details on Monday about why he fired Spencer, saying the Navy chief had sought to cut a side deal with the White House that was "contrary to what we had agreed to and contrary to Secretary Spencer's public position," in which he appeared to favor allowing the military justice process to go ahead.
"We learned that several days prior, Secretary Spencer had proposed a deal whereby if the President allowed the Navy to handle the case, he would guarantee that Eddie Gallagher would be restored to rank, allowed to retain his Trident and permitted to retire," Esper said.
Esper said he and Army General Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, had been completely caught off guard by the news. The Navy secretary, Esper said, had undermined everything Pentagon leadership had been collectively discussing with Trump.
Esper called Spencer and said he "was completely forthright in admitting what had been going on." Esper asked for Spencer's resignation letter on Sunday.
Esper gave new details on Monday about why he fired Spencer, saying the Navy chief had sought to cut a side deal with the White House that was "contrary to what we had agreed to and contrary to Secretary Spencer's public position," in which he appeared to favor allowing the military justice process to go ahead.
"We learned that several days prior, Secretary Spencer had proposed a deal whereby if the President allowed the Navy to handle the case, he would guarantee that Eddie Gallagher would be restored to rank, allowed to retain his Trident and permitted to retire," Esper said.
Esper said he and Army General Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, had been completely caught off guard by the news. The Navy secretary, Esper said, had undermined everything Pentagon leadership had been collectively discussing with Trump.
Esper called Spencer and said he "was completely forthright in admitting what had been going on." Esper asked for Spencer's resignation letter on Sunday.
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SPENCER'S SIDE DEAL?
Esper gave new details on Monday about why he fired Spencer, saying the Navy chief had sought to cut a side deal with the White House that was "contrary to what we had agreed to and contrary to Secretary Spencer's public position," in which he appeared to favor allowing the military justice process to go ahead.
"We learned that several days prior, Secretary Spencer had proposed a deal whereby if the President allowed the Navy to handle the case, he would guarantee that Eddie Gallagher would be restored to rank, allowed to retain his Trident and permitted to retire," Esper said.
Esper said he and Army General Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, had been completely caught off guard by the news. The Navy secretary, Esper said, had undermined everything Pentagon leadership had been collectively discussing with Trump.
Esper called Spencer and said he "was completely forthright in admitting what had been going on." Esper asked for Spencer's resignation letter on Sunday.
Esper gave new details on Monday about why he fired Spencer, saying the Navy chief had sought to cut a side deal with the White House that was "contrary to what we had agreed to and contrary to Secretary Spencer's public position," in which he appeared to favor allowing the military justice process to go ahead.
"We learned that several days prior, Secretary Spencer had proposed a deal whereby if the President allowed the Navy to handle the case, he would guarantee that Eddie Gallagher would be restored to rank, allowed to retain his Trident and permitted to retire," Esper said.
Esper said he and Army General Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, had been completely caught off guard by the news. The Navy secretary, Esper said, had undermined everything Pentagon leadership had been collectively discussing with Trump.
Esper called Spencer and said he "was completely forthright in admitting what had been going on." Esper asked for Spencer's resignation letter on Sunday.
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Simply put, CPO Gallagher should BE IN JAIL. He committed horrific crimes. He was tried for premeditated murder, attempted murder, obstruction of justice, posing for a photo with a casualty, and other offenses. He was found guilty of one of them.
He even threatened to kill any fellow SEAL who reported his crimes. Almost all of his SEAL teammates who witnessed the events gave sworn testimony of his disgusting actions.
He even threatened to kill any fellow SEAL who reported his crimes. Almost all of his SEAL teammates who witnessed the events gave sworn testimony of his disgusting actions.
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SGT Charles Bartell
were you there, Did you see or directly hear him do any of these things. Well ,I think not.
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LT David Schmidt
SGT Charles Bartell - You could read the testimony (there is some that is public) and news coverage from the SEALs who testified, etc. Di you see him or directly hear him do any of these things? Your argument doesn't hold water. The fact that I didn't see or hear him do any of these things is how you defend Gallagher? Wow. Weak.
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SGT Kenneth Partyka
I'll defend him by saying he was acquitted by a jury of his peers. "Until Scott testified..." Who are you, Adam Schiff, and only believe one side of a story gets to be told? CPO Gallagher will retire in a few days with full rank and his Trident, just like he should.
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CPO Kim Hanthorn
LT glad I never served under you! You and I would have ended up in a fist fight. JOs think they know so much. When you THINK you outrank the POTUS come talk to me. He was elected by the citizens of the USA, not you. Your just another backseat driver. Keep watching CNN!
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Pardoning service members is a tremendous step in the right direction. To sully that by charging senior officers would be wrong.
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SGT Charles Bartell
Not if the senior where playing politics. After all most of us know when you make it so far up the food chain. It is all about politics, Getting those Pentagone jobs, White House postings and all. No one can tell me that is not how it is. I have seen it myself.
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