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I am under the impression that promotion from PFC to SPC was automatic, good behavior considered. I already have 34 months tis and 32 months tig. I've spoken with my chain of command, but they seem to "yes me to death" but nothing has changed. I'm not sure where to turn here.
Edit: This issue has been resolved with my chain of command, I thank you all for the advice and input.
Edit: This issue has been resolved with my chain of command, I thank you all for the advice and input.
Promotions
SPC
PFC
Army National Guard
Edited >1 y ago
Posted 10 y ago
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Acording to AR 600-8-19 (Something you need to get a copy of and learn so you can continue to make yourself ready for promotion)
(2) Promotion to PFC is 12 months TIS and 4 months TIG.
(3) Promotion to SPC is 24 months TIS and 6 months TIG.
(4) Soldiers must meet eligibility criteria in paragraph 1–10.
(5) Any Soldier previously reduced (for misconduct, inefficiency, or cause) must be fully qualified (without a waiver) for promotion to the next higher rank.
d. If a CDR elects not to recommend a Soldier for promotion on the automatic promotion date, the CDR must annotate “NO” on the AAA–117 (RA) or GRA–PO1 (Advancement Eligibility Status Roster) (USAR), then the CDR (or BN HR) must prepare a DA Form 4187 denying the promotion. A DA Form 268 will be submitted no later than the 20th day of the month preceding the month of automatic promotion. The first-line leader must counsel the Soldier, using DA Form 4856 (Developmental Counseling Form). The DA Form 4187 and the DA Form 4856 must be attached to the enlisted advancement report before it is forwarded to the BN S1 HR specialist. The BN S1 HR specialist must submit a Flag transaction in the personnel system to block the promotion as described below.
(2) Promotion to PFC is 12 months TIS and 4 months TIG.
(3) Promotion to SPC is 24 months TIS and 6 months TIG.
(4) Soldiers must meet eligibility criteria in paragraph 1–10.
(5) Any Soldier previously reduced (for misconduct, inefficiency, or cause) must be fully qualified (without a waiver) for promotion to the next higher rank.
d. If a CDR elects not to recommend a Soldier for promotion on the automatic promotion date, the CDR must annotate “NO” on the AAA–117 (RA) or GRA–PO1 (Advancement Eligibility Status Roster) (USAR), then the CDR (or BN HR) must prepare a DA Form 4187 denying the promotion. A DA Form 268 will be submitted no later than the 20th day of the month preceding the month of automatic promotion. The first-line leader must counsel the Soldier, using DA Form 4856 (Developmental Counseling Form). The DA Form 4187 and the DA Form 4856 must be attached to the enlisted advancement report before it is forwarded to the BN S1 HR specialist. The BN S1 HR specialist must submit a Flag transaction in the personnel system to block the promotion as described below.
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Yes, it is "automatic", yet your chain ultimately has to hack off on it. There must be something that is looming in the background that precludes you from the list. And, truthfully, it may be a straightforward as you rubbed someone the wrong way and they do not think you are ready.
Here is where you have to start thinking like an NCO. You are quite right, nagging or whining will definitely fly in the face of what you hope to achieve in advancement. I would advise that you present it constructively. You have the right to now why you are not moving up. ((If your supervisors are tippy-toeing away from telling you, then that is an indicator of their piss-poor leadership.)) Ask your Chain of Command what is stopping it as you would like to improve on that facet of your eligibility.
You simply cannot unf*ck what you don't know is f*ct.
And even if it continues to delay, continue to do good work. It will all come to fruition.
Keep us posted to your progress.
Here is where you have to start thinking like an NCO. You are quite right, nagging or whining will definitely fly in the face of what you hope to achieve in advancement. I would advise that you present it constructively. You have the right to now why you are not moving up. ((If your supervisors are tippy-toeing away from telling you, then that is an indicator of their piss-poor leadership.)) Ask your Chain of Command what is stopping it as you would like to improve on that facet of your eligibility.
You simply cannot unf*ck what you don't know is f*ct.
And even if it continues to delay, continue to do good work. It will all come to fruition.
Keep us posted to your progress.
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MAJ Tristan M. -
Sir, Duly noted. I ask only that I get credit for it when repeated. And I will not turn down royalties. :)
Sir, Duly noted. I ask only that I get credit for it when repeated. And I will not turn down royalties. :)
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I actually do this stuff for my company. Some people have already said it but if you have been in as long as you say and have as much time in grade you should be a SPC by now. If your command is not promoting you on purpose there should be a paper trail backing up why. I realise this is YOUR rank and this might be a sore topic for you but you have to remember to approch this professionally. Continue to bring it up to your 1st line supervisor. What does your LES say? If you are not flagged or under any type of ucmj there should be no reason you didnt get picked up at 24 months. let me know maybe i can help. Also if your chain of command continues to ignore the problem there is always the IG office or ICE.
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1stSgt (Join to see)
Never quite figured where the term "picked up" came from. I always told my Marines that the correct term is "pinned on" and that you "pick up" trash during police call.
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Under AR 600-8-19 the TIS required to advance from PFC to SPC is 24 months. Though you are eligible, your leadership makes the decision for your promotion.
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1SG (Join to see)
As this is an auto advance situation, unless you have a limiting factor (APFT, flag, UCMJ, etc.) the command has to provide a reason in writing to stop the promotion.
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Have you falied a AFPT, failed qualify at weapons, are you on profile, under any type of UCMJ pending action, missed drills or a number of other things that could be holding you up from getting promoted & it pinned on?
No matter what, do not get a negative attitude that could make a clerical error be turned against you.
Use the Chain of Command and NCO Support Channel to get it fixed or an answer why. Always be professional at all times.
I know you have heard the saying, "Shit Happens", its normally used when thing's don't go right, Remember, all wrongs can be corrected. Stay in the right frame of mind so the response dosn"t change to, "Shit doesn't happen, you make it happen".
Good luck with this and keep us up to date on the outcome.
No matter what, do not get a negative attitude that could make a clerical error be turned against you.
Use the Chain of Command and NCO Support Channel to get it fixed or an answer why. Always be professional at all times.
I know you have heard the saying, "Shit Happens", its normally used when thing's don't go right, Remember, all wrongs can be corrected. Stay in the right frame of mind so the response dosn"t change to, "Shit doesn't happen, you make it happen".
Good luck with this and keep us up to date on the outcome.
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SSG Melvin Nulph
Thats something you need ti keep up on. I do not know the regs any more, its been some time and things do change. But as a young soldier you have got to learn where to look so tou can keep up with things for yourself as well as any of your soldiers you'll have at a later time and date.
A lot of responsibility comes with each rank, keeo that in mind so none of your soldiers have situations like your having, okay.
I wish you the best on this and hope you learn a lot from it. Im sure it will turn out for you. Best of luck.
A lot of responsibility comes with each rank, keeo that in mind so none of your soldiers have situations like your having, okay.
I wish you the best on this and hope you learn a lot from it. Im sure it will turn out for you. Best of luck.
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SPC Scott Paddock
The SSG is on point. Pull up the current regs on promotions. Square yourself away on any difficiencies, also check to see the in and out calls for your specific MOS. Slots for each rank can fluctuate. It's your responsibility to keep yourself current so when a slot opens you will be eligible. Volunteer, accept responsibility for a detail or duty when your squad has been tasked (not every time, but frequently enough to demonstrate your willingness to be a team player). Lead by example in your appearance, military bearings, positive attitude, your areas of responsibility and your MOS. Cross train when possible and allowed. Study for the promotion board now. The knowledge should be second nature - tactics, weapons, courtesies, first aid, regs, policies, Unit history, creeds, Unit/Army songs, etc. This may seem trivial, but it's the effort and willingness to not only do the basics, but to quietly execute and lead for the good of the squad, platoon, company, etc. Volunteer at the MWR, Gym, local Army community outreach programs, FRG and planning opportunities. Demonstrate that you are not only interested, but immersed in your military community. And above all, do it because it is the right thing to do for your community, the Unit and yourself. You'll definitely be a better citizen and person if not soldier by the end of your military career. Actual Selfless Service goes a long way brother. Bon chance!
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SSG Melvin Nulph
SPC. SCOTT PADDOCK, you nailed it. If he doesn't get it the way you wrote it out for him, it's not ment to be. But I know, "he has it now". Thank you for the assistance.
It makes me feel great when the other members help me out the way you just did. I hate having this memory loss. Hope none of you ever have to deal with it, ever.
You're the best!
It makes me feel great when the other members help me out the way you just did. I hate having this memory loss. Hope none of you ever have to deal with it, ever.
You're the best!
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Promotion to E-4 is based on the amount of allocated E-4 positions a command has available due to projected losses and manning. Commanders are provided a list of soldiers who are eligible where he/she will select yes/no to promote. Each unit has a UMR which identifies how many E-4s, etc. are authorized in a unit. If you have only 20 SPC positions command wide available and there are 40 soldiers all meeting TIS and TIG like yourself, then only 20 will get promoted. I think this would be the case for your scenario. It wouldn't hurt though to see your NCO Support Chain for their recommendations and support in getting promoted. Hope this helps.
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SSG (Join to see)
I apologize-I missed the part where he is in the Guard. E4 allocations don't apply to the Guard. He needs to go through his CoC and ask the Admin NCO why he hasn't been promoted. There is a report on SIDPERS that he or she can run to see who is all eligible for promotion from E1 to E3. It's a simple click of a button (provided the Soldier isn't flagged). Weapons qual shouldn't matter.
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WO1 (Join to see)
The UMR states the rank for each position wirhin the unit. Each position can be held by a rank 1 higher or 2 lower than required for a period of time. ie, an e-7 can hold an an e-6 slot and vice versa.
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In the Guard, all 10-Level positions are E1-E4. Without cause, there is no reason not to promote you. With that in mind, if you've missed a drill, failed apft, not green on your PHA, and all the stuff you have to keep current: the VoC could determine that as unsuccessful performance. But, they would need to flag you and show cause. Give them the chance to correct this if it needs to be. However, if it's not fixed and you've done right; IG would be your next stop.
Good Luck.
Good Luck.
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As I was promoted to E-4 back in the day when it was not automatic (1984), I am of the opinion that Auto E-4 was a horrible idea. It has lessened the overall effectiveness of the force. E-4 used to have clout, now they have none what so ever (except for corporals). E-4's used to be able to tell troops what to do, and they did it. Now it is a hollow rank and it is affecting the E-5 grade as well.
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Agree Sir, the standards and discipline have fallen and need to be picked back up, a PFC should be able to tell a PV2 or a PVT how to accomplish a mission, now a SPC finds cover in the Shield and this is why we have Specialists with 8 to 9 years in service ready to RCP out. Even Sergeants now look for higher approval to make decisions. This is unacceptable. I joined 5 years ago and have yet to see the rank structure from PVT to SGT work properly.
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Take control of your career because nobody else is going to just hand if down to you. Get the paperwork that says how long you've been in and time in grade you have and bring it with you. Respectfully go up the chain of command until the issue is solved. Sometimes persistence goes along way. It's not nagging especially since it's your career and livelihood on theine. Good luck!
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PFC Rivers, tha'ts a more of a positive than a negative that you don't want to sound like a nag. You want to find a balance between 2 contradictory proverbs "the squeaky wheel gets the grease" and"The squeaky wheel gets replaced" Which one is true? depends on how you present yourself. First of all show you are professional, a team player, eager to contribute to the mission. Make sure you get all your required soldier things done. Wpns qual, PT, MOS qual etc. Continue to work on your military and your civilian college education (using your GI bill and perhaps state benefits) Secondly, i've learned long ago in the military to check your records. You can be surprised what is missing or in error. Related to that any training, evals, awards, promotions or other documentation, always keep a copy. If you find errors you can use your copy to correct it. If you dont have a copy, work with your chain to get it corrects. Also talk to your career counselor about your options and get his/her advice on how to manage your career. When you do present your concerns say in a professional, tactful way. Ive had to learn the hard way, as I got older and wiser, how to always be assertive yet respectful. Speak your concerns with a tone of a professional soldier who desires to advance and proud to be part of the time. Hang in there and don't get discouraged. Good luck in your Army National Guard career.
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