Posted on Apr 26, 2016
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This article makes a compelling case for redesign of the DoD medal and ribbon policies. The solution offered, wearing valor awards on the right side of uniform, may not please many service members, but it's one idea. Please read the article and take the survey.
This article makes a compelling case for redesign of the DoD medal and ribbon policies. The solution offered, wearing valor awards on the right side of uniform, may not please many service members, but it's one idea. Please read the article and take the survey.
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Keep the awards and medals as they are. Change the criteria by which awards are given. An E-7 should not get a Bronze Star just for sitting around, getting fat and drinking 8 cups of coffee a day. While an E-4 medic or infantryman suppresses 12 fighters making multiple trips to carry wounded allies gets an ARCOM with V device.
It would take a top down change to allow awards be given out solely based on merit and not by rank. I had 4 members of my chain of command nominate me for a Silver Star as an end of tour award. It got busted down to an ARCOM because of my rank. Soldiers in my age bracket join for many reasons and leave for just as many. Having a little bit of recognition would go a long way in helping retention NCOs to do their job.
It would take a top down change to allow awards be given out solely based on merit and not by rank. I had 4 members of my chain of command nominate me for a Silver Star as an end of tour award. It got busted down to an ARCOM because of my rank. Soldiers in my age bracket join for many reasons and leave for just as many. Having a little bit of recognition would go a long way in helping retention NCOs to do their job.
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SFC Kenneth Hunnell
I never recieved a bronze star and I am not fat or sat around watching others do the work, definitely do not drink coffee. Other than that you are correct
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SGT (Join to see)
My Lt. Put me and my buddy in for soldiers medal but it was denied and never sent up and then downgraded to aam for pulling 4 people out of head on collision wreck in front of us going to morning formation. We pulled them out and dressed wounds with my first aid kit and waited for ambulance. Cant have soldiers with medal higher than leadership medals
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MAJ (Join to see)
Concur. More Awards and Decorations should be given to Enlisted personnel and NCOs and far fewer to Officers. The criteria should be entirely merit based. The AAM and ARCOM should be administrative. Awards beyond that should be for non-administrative achievements and actions.
As for the new AGSU, I prefer a simpler, cleaner look. Limit ribbons to a single row. No qualification badges or foreign decorations. Soldiers wear their SF, Rangers Airborne, Sapper tabs on their shoulders with their unit patch. Buttons subdued. Save the glitter for the ASU and formal occasions. The day uniform should be, well, a day uniform - like the current Class B. JMTC.
As for the new AGSU, I prefer a simpler, cleaner look. Limit ribbons to a single row. No qualification badges or foreign decorations. Soldiers wear their SF, Rangers Airborne, Sapper tabs on their shoulders with their unit patch. Buttons subdued. Save the glitter for the ASU and formal occasions. The day uniform should be, well, a day uniform - like the current Class B. JMTC.
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SFC Howard Holmes
I do not like the fact that every time a soldier, Marine, Coast Guardsman, Airmen or Sailor does their job with any proficiency they feel they should get a medal. Your promotions and pay checks are for doing your job. Medals are for performing above and beyond. Shortly after the start of OIF/OEF, one received three medals just for deploying, and that didn't include overseas ribbon and any personal awards. I'm thinking that some of the performance awards should just be ribbons, and Valor awards, actual medals. Some of that needs to go for officers as well. Some of the awards they get just for doing their job running a command is ridiculous as well. I do understand the importance and weight of medals on the promotion list, but maybe more weight should be given on NCOERs, OERs, and EERs, but that has it's own issues as well. So the personal performance ribbons can be used as some weight on promotions, that prevents a SM from not being promotable because the evaluator doesn't like the SM. Bronze Stars and the such need to be reserved for combat operational achievements.
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No need to change tradition. Just more emphases on proper award awarding. Here is Eisenhower's actually ribbon rack.
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1LT Allan Holder
Same thing still going on today, Two weeks in to our tour in Iraq, platoon leader stated the E-6's would be receiving the BS as for their tour of duty medal, and that no-one below E-6 would be getting a BS, All the platoon leaders and platoon Sgt.'s got the BS as well. Means nothing now. Just a show up medal. As it was everybody else got an ARCOM for being in country. FYI, long story short, I was an E-5 during this time. not 1LT.
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MAJ Victor Alarcon
It is an important point to remember that General Eisenhower had over 33 awards and ribbons rendered to him by foreign governments. Therefore, before anyone starts commenting on his rack consisting of US Ribbons and it’s size the United States Government has had a policy in place on foreign medals and their authorized display.
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MSgt Allen Chandler
I’m very proud of the 10 ribbons I earned during my service. Somewhere because I was just me and did a good job. Summer because I was part of a team that got the job done. Add a couple were what you were probably call valor I stuck my neck out I took a chance and make things better for my service. I see people that gave the service with his few as two or three and as many as a dozen or two dozen. Does it cost to know how to read the ribbons know a lot about the person and what they did and didn’t do. I don’t object to revising the rules are changing the number of ribbons and medals but I see nothing wrong with the way were doing it today
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CMSgt Donald ONeill
I have had a bad taste in my mouth when I left Vietnam . I was involved in a 15 day siege of a Special Forces camp . Going night and day making air drops and resupplying the camp and being lucky to survive . When leaving (PCS) going home they were handing out awards to all the clerks and non fighters . If it wasn't for the aviation unit putting me in for a Air metal with "V" I would have gotten nothing .
That was when I seen politics come into play as much as valor .
That was when I seen politics come into play as much as valor .
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Lt Col Jim Coe, if anything, I think that the number of medals and ribbons will grow. I'm not altogether certain that anything WILL be done to accomplish what you suggest. My father served just shy of three years in the U.S. Navy during WWII, and was all over the Pacific for a fair amount of that time. This was all he was awarded and that was during a declared war for goodness sake!
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LTC (Join to see) - Very true statement that I can somewhat identify with Colonel...
I spent 20 years in the Navy, with 15 of those years on ships that did deploy and take part in “important” missions. However, due to the relative “peace” we enjoyed during my time in, frequent transfers, and other factors, I never happened to be in the “right place at the right time” to earn any extra medals or ribbons. I retired with my nice, tidy, single row with Nat. Defense, Good Conduct with 4 stars, and Sea Service with a few stars...
Didn’t worry me a bit though, I still was promoted and paid the same as the guys who had to spend more money on their ribbon rack than I ever did-LOL
I spent 20 years in the Navy, with 15 of those years on ships that did deploy and take part in “important” missions. However, due to the relative “peace” we enjoyed during my time in, frequent transfers, and other factors, I never happened to be in the “right place at the right time” to earn any extra medals or ribbons. I retired with my nice, tidy, single row with Nat. Defense, Good Conduct with 4 stars, and Sea Service with a few stars...
Didn’t worry me a bit though, I still was promoted and paid the same as the guys who had to spend more money on their ribbon rack than I ever did-LOL
CW5 Les Rayburn
The medals in Viet Nam was unit based. Not every unit gave out the same awards for EOT. In a few units you you had to actually earn your awards, while some had “packets”, like company commander packets, platoon leader packets, 1StSGT packets etc. not a very good system. What they should do, is tighten the criteria for earning the awards, and make justification harder.
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WO1 Dave Middleton
CW5 Les Rayburn - I was late in the war 1971, what I observed was as Commissioned officers were facing a rift, they put in for medals every chance they could. Most warrants and enlisted, especially on first tour, were not thinking about the Army as a career. Had I not been wounded, I may have seen it as an career avenue once back in the world. But at the time medals were the furthest thing from my mind. Didn’t even know I got any until I saw my DD214.
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Al Reynolds
I knew something was wrong with the system when I was awarded the Nation Defense Ribbon in boot cam. That was back when they had the draft.....
I imagine now you gotta issue ribbons for the amount of ice cream eaten and snarky food consumed. Anything to pump egos.
I imagine now you gotta issue ribbons for the amount of ice cream eaten and snarky food consumed. Anything to pump egos.
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