Posted on Dec 1, 2015
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I believe Infantry and Operators should be treated with a higher regard in the military.

Even officers and NCOs of all other military specialties should show respect to our nation's true warriors.

The general military is doing a good job of promoting everyone is a warrior but those non combat arms specialties do not train or destroy their bodies like true combatants. I would even say that infantry line medics and navy corpsman that are attached to the marines deserve the same regard.

This is not intended as a put down of other specialties but an awareness that some put in more than others in combat arms.
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1SG First Sergeant
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Was this site trolled by Duffleblog?
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TSgt Marco McDowell
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So what about the FOs, medics, radio operators, combat engineers and the like who get attached to infantry units and carry out the same and extra missions in support. Or the arty guys tasked out as a rifle platoon to augment grunts. Heck, I got tasked out by the AF to support the Army because my records showed I had certain skills they could use. I wasn't a grunt, but I fell in with them because I was a POG with training in the Corps and Air Force. A simple ol' comm dawg who went through Sapper school, learned demo calc, then to FO school, and wound up slogging with the 03s. Then an aircraft mechanic who wound up on a Ma Deuce in a convoy for grunts. Yeah, I take offense to this.
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"A Warrior is a quiet professional, one that also sacrifices his body, his youth and his mental health but not for applause or recognition. He commits himself to his craft and dedicates his life to a cause that few will ever understand and even fewer still will ever see. He walks until his feet are bloody stumps hoping those dear to him will never experience the noose of tyranny. He voluntarily deploys himself to the most austere environments in the world and repeatedly does the dirty work of his nation. Decisions that would take most weeks to make he decisively executes before his next inhalation. He holds the life of those around him in the distal phalanges of a single finger. He flows silently into the homes of the world’s most dangerous men with the autonomy to take their lives. He has no concern of who feeds upon his cost, and his victories will never be celebrated in a packed stadium. And after the battle is over and the smell of war has left his nares the memories of his actions will be carried like cinder blocks upon his back. He will continue to shoulder more than his share of the task, without ceremony. This man is a warrior. This man is the reason we can sit and enjoy the displays of the gladiator."

http://havokjournal.com/culture/a-warrior-defined/
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Wish I'd said it.
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MSG Tim Gray
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Id like to chime in (as an 11Z50) FIRST, I will NEVER consider myself or any other Infantryman on the same level as any 18 series professional, ever! Lastly (this post doesn't require beleaguring) I have worked with female and male counterparts who didn't wear a blue cord, but I felt they provide more to the fight than the majority of us who do.
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SGT Curtis Earl
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That's dumb. If you need external gratification like that, then you don't deserve it.
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Maj Jeff Dodd
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Warrior class is not an MOS, it's a mindset and lifestyle. Just ask SSgt. Spencer Stone and his boys who jumped the armed thug on the train in France and beat that turd to within an inch of his life. Stone is a USAF medical technician (not sure what his Army NG buddy's MOS was, but pretty sure he wasn't a Delta Operator or SF ninja). Those three badasses just proved that unarmed determined "warriors" can and will prevail against overwhelming odds. Everybody knows who the door kickers are and we are real proud of you, but you don't get your own parking spot at the PX. How about you buy a POG a beer sometime at the bar and thank him/her for supporting the fight? Quiet professionals don't need a special class or more accolades to motivate them.
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I think people already regard operators with respect, and said operators aren't going around looking for more respect.
I think what you really want, is to be respected like said operators, which you shouldn't be. I've seen one too many shitheads in infantry to give them respect other than what's earned.
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That sounds about as sensible as you groveling before me as a God of the skies. Your move.
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to be fair during a fairly protracted TIC all Infantrymen see the CAS guy as a God of the Skies.
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SN Greg Wright
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LTJG James Jones You now this trend of you saying shit that I agree with would be really annoying if, like, you know. I didn't agree.
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Your distress is noted, SN Greg Wright, and I'll work hard to improve upon such deficiencies in the future.
SSgt David Tedrow
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I think you are wrong. Each and every person that wears the uniform of this country knows who has done what just by what units they were with, the ribbons and medals they have earned and by the wounds they carry with them. To in some way say that there should be a class made is going to do nothing but cause animosity, more so than may already occur, between personnel. We all have a job to do and each job is important and one is no better than the other in the ultimate mission. If you feel you need separate recognition than maybe you are doing the job for the wrong reasons. Ego is a bad thing in battle, it can and will get you and others killed.
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LCpl Ash Carson
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Agreed!!!
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SSG Jim Foreman
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SFC (Join to see) I was a crew chief/door gunner on a huey gunship in vietnam. I was shot at on an almost daily bases during my time in vietnam. How are you a "true" warrior and I'm not ?
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SN Greg Wright
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SSG Jim Foreman He's not, Staff. He's not. You are.
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I disagree. I am an Infantryman, and while I do appreciate when people listen to what I have to say, and give me the credit for what I do know, grunts and Medics are no more special than any other MOS or Branch. After all, boys don't fly without Supply! To think otherwise is folly, and it is a very narrow-minded and narcissistic way to think. Now, that being said, I am far from the mindset of "everyone is equal." But we are all a team. Do I stop and listen to an Infantry NCO about tactics and strategem long before I listen to a PAC clerk? Yes. But I also understand that I, as the boots-on-the-ground force, cannot operate without my support guys getting me what I need to accomplish the mission.
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SPC (Join to see) Wisdom beyond your years. You shall go far.
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its "bullets don't fly without supply" but I get what you meant
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MAJ David Wallace
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Well put, young SPC Pietrantonio!!!!
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SFC (Join to see) , at my last unit, they said "boys." I was just running with what I heard. Hahahaha. Being non-supply, and still fairly young, yeah, I probably di misquote. Hahaha
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I hate being called a "warrior". To me that makes me little better than barbarian. I am a SOLDIER. I am an expert and a professional. I follow the rules of war and ROE. I am not one who " makes war" I am one who ends them.

... And where does the CIB go again?
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SSG Avenger Crew Member
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To earn respect, you have to give respect. Just because we served in combat arms makes us not better than soldiers in support roles. We all signed the dotted line to do the jobs WE chose.
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SSG Paul Ellis
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Geez, Leonidas...doesn't Combat Arms get enough of a boost on centralized promotion boards?
BTW, good luck doing your Rambo stuff without Signal and Material support.
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SFC William Swartz Jr
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What a complete load of drivel...and from a Sr NCO no less, seems someone didn't receive that bit of colored ribbon that he coveted at some point in time.....
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SSG Tavis Patraw
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Nope as a former 11B that reclassed to 31B, with1 deployment to Iraq as a grunt and 2 as an MP, saw hell of a lot more action AND RAN twice as many missions as an MP
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MSgt Paul Anderson
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Where are you going to draw the line. Only infantry and operators? Do you even know what you are talking about? What about door gunners, EOD, armor, medics, convoy escorts, pilots, etc. want me to go on ? This has to be the stupidest subject I have seen in my opinion, you should separate from the service at your first opportunity and join some outfit more bfitting of you status and skill.
Go to France and joing the FFL if you want warrior status and respect. Personally, I don't think you can cut it.
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SGT Carissa Lara, RCS
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I guess I should give back the 70% disability rating that I got from the VA since I was a POG that didn't train and destroy my body. -.-
This post is insulting to all the soldiers, sailors, and airmen who break ourselves to support the mission.
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I don't think the original poster is suggesting that something be taken away from you, rather a little extra be given to those who were closer to the action than the rest of us. I, for one, agree with that attitude toward 11Bs. When we get out, our technical/support training that kept us in the rear with the gear allows for certain job offers that just aren't available to someone who was infantry for an entire career.
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LCpl Nicholas Hines
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It's ok Marines don't need you to mention us
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SSG Robert Burns
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I guess if you wanted special attention you are certainly about to get it.
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1SG Jacob Baty
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This post reminds me of the Spartans talking to the Athenians prior to fighting the Persians.

I am going to take the low road here and say this is one of the dumbest posts I have ever seen on RP.

oh, and I cannot for the life of me figure out how this was not supposed to be a put down and I am a grunt.
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