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I believe Infantry and Operators should be treated with a higher regard in the military.
Even officers and NCOs of all other military specialties should show respect to our nation's true warriors.
The general military is doing a good job of promoting everyone is a warrior but those non combat arms specialties do not train or destroy their bodies like true combatants. I would even say that infantry line medics and navy corpsman that are attached to the marines deserve the same regard.
This is not intended as a put down of other specialties but an awareness that some put in more than others in combat arms.
Even officers and NCOs of all other military specialties should show respect to our nation's true warriors.
The general military is doing a good job of promoting everyone is a warrior but those non combat arms specialties do not train or destroy their bodies like true combatants. I would even say that infantry line medics and navy corpsman that are attached to the marines deserve the same regard.
This is not intended as a put down of other specialties but an awareness that some put in more than others in combat arms.
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We are the warrior class. All of us regardless of MOS/AFSC are warriors. We all took the same oath and should all be equally willing to defend our nation and die for it if necessary. Elite military units are uniquely recognizable (SF, Rangers, PJs, SEALS, aviators). We don't need to separate them from the rest of the service members any more than already done. One team, one fight!
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There is already a higher level of honor and recognition for Infantry and Medics. They respectively are awarded the Combat Infantry Badge or Combat Medic Badge for their combat service. Even for those with the above MOS who haven't been in combat, they can go through testing and earn the Expert Infantry Badge or the Expert Field Medical Badge. As far as promotions are concerned, the promotion cut off scores for combat arms have nearly always been lower due to needing a higher number of new E5 and E6 NCOs in those Moss. So there's part of our warrior culture.
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Remember we are the best trained soldiers in the world, as long as you never forget. Who cares what pogs think we know and understand what we do, I don't need someone reminding why my body hurts when I wake up. My body tells me and that's all I need. Our scars tell our stories
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NO! There should not be the deliberate creation of a 'Warrior Class" as each member of the military serves a vital function. In effect, no one truly fights alone. Each branch, each career field, each occupational specialty, from Special Operations Forces to Recruiting, and everything in between, serve a vital role in keeping this Nation free. This includes, active, reserve, national guard, auxiliary, and civilians. To believe anything else is to display an unfortunate combination of arrogance an ignorance. Each service already recognizes the importance of combat arms personnel via distinctive items (e.g. blue shoulder cords for infantry, etc...).
it should be noted that in the 40 odd years since the termination of the draft and the creation of the all volunteer force in the early 1970s our society has in effect created an emerging "military class." The goodness or badness of this development and the larger ramifications for our future remain to be seen.
it should be noted that in the 40 odd years since the termination of the draft and the creation of the all volunteer force in the early 1970s our society has in effect created an emerging "military class." The goodness or badness of this development and the larger ramifications for our future remain to be seen.
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As a Marine Artilleryman, I found that the infantry had so much "Respect" for themselves, they didn't need any extra from me. If they were half as awesome as they thought they were, they wouldn't need me behind them slinging steel.
So, SFC Esquivel, what form should this extra respect that us lowly pogues owe you take? Maybe a modified salute? Head of the line privileges at the PX? I'd offer to polish your boots, but we're all wearing suede now...
So, SFC Esquivel, what form should this extra respect that us lowly pogues owe you take? Maybe a modified salute? Head of the line privileges at the PX? I'd offer to polish your boots, but we're all wearing suede now...
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I was a Marine artilleryman, and I always found that the infantry had so much "Respect" for themselves that they didn't need any more from me. If those grunts were half as awesome as they thought they were, theywouldn't have needed me out there slinging steal. What kind of extra respect should us lowly pogues show you kick-ass operators, SFC Esquivel? A salute? Head-of-the-line priveleges at the PX? I'd offer to shine your boots, but I know we're all wearing swade boots now...
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As an "operator" I can say I've always been treated with the respect and regard I have earned, as are any other soldiers. We already receive specialty pays and get decent reenlistment bonuses. I don't know what else you expect. We don't do it for those reasons though, we do it to serve our country the best that we can like anyone else. DOL
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Seriously - and you are SFC and asking this question? Either you are totally clueless (which calls to question how you made SFC) or just a troll - the military is a team - rear area, support, logistics, etc all contribute to the success. Without support specialists, administration, logistics, combat support, etc the 'operators' (where the fuck did we come up with that term?) are unable to do their jobs.
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This is ridiculous. During my time as a crew member, every time we picked up a bunch of infantry guys I did everything I could to show them respect and to make their ride to or from the shit as pleasant as it could be. Everyone I worked with did the same. But honestly, we all go through training to be the best at what we do. You guys picked a more physical job and that is where most of your wear and tear will be. That alone does not warrant "extra" respect. Being the ones that do a lot of the fighting is something most other jobs already respect more highly than other SMs in their own branch as it is. No we all have a job to do and I will treat all soldiers with the same level of respect as dictated by professionalism with a little extra for those coming home from a shitty mission.
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Sgt Joseph Baker
Exactly. The thing is, if you are a grunt, you already have respect unless you throw it away saying crap like there should be a 'warrior-class' like this is India or something. If you need a blue cord and demand respect from people you probably are the latter. Just let your accomplishments speak for themselves.
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