Posted on Jun 30, 2014
Should the US Navy allow all berthing areas on Ship to be open to both genders?
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In the US Navy we have Traditionally Berthed enlisted personnel by Department and Division on Ships. With the introduction of Women on ships the Enlisted Berthing Areas have now been segregated into males being berthed by Department and Division and females into their separate areas. Officers live in Staterooms of 1, 2, or more officers and so the problem is much easier to handle.
To me this has always been strange because it breaks up work groups and separates people artificially. Sex between Sailors on the same ship has never been allowed, so that should not be a problem (right!) Now we have the added mixture of people being openly gay yet still assigned to the same berthing considerations.
BEQs at Shore Establishments have different rules based on availability of housing more than on gender. Is it time for a change or not?
To me this has always been strange because it breaks up work groups and separates people artificially. Sex between Sailors on the same ship has never been allowed, so that should not be a problem (right!) Now we have the added mixture of people being openly gay yet still assigned to the same berthing considerations.
BEQs at Shore Establishments have different rules based on availability of housing more than on gender. Is it time for a change or not?
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Picking orders in the navy as a female is horrible. All because of that little option in cmsid that says "female rack availability". I say put everyone together. No one is supposed to have sex on the ship but they do anyway even wih separate berthings. You are supposed to dress shower and everything else in the head anyway and those are not going to be coed anytime soon. I feel like if this happened we would have much better options for orders
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Why should females have to share a berthing with males? That would give us no privacy to get dressed and I'm sure the males wouldn't want to deal with some female issues. Who cares if we get split up from people in our work center. ..we're around them all day, everyday anyways!! Horrible idea
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It is a complicated question. I am in favor of mixed berthing in theory.
However, on my last ship our berthing was really nice...as in clean. The male berthing for my division had a smell I don't care to describe here. I'll just leave it at gag-worthy. The other issue is showers. I know we can get to the showers with a robe or shorts/t-shirt on, but there is usually no private place to put these, which means either being naked in front of the opposite sex or taking turns in the shower.
I think these are issues that can be worked out, but I don't know if we're there yet.
However, on my last ship our berthing was really nice...as in clean. The male berthing for my division had a smell I don't care to describe here. I'll just leave it at gag-worthy. The other issue is showers. I know we can get to the showers with a robe or shorts/t-shirt on, but there is usually no private place to put these, which means either being naked in front of the opposite sex or taking turns in the shower.
I think these are issues that can be worked out, but I don't know if we're there yet.
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No , it's not time for a change. We are not ready for man and woman to live in the same room. We still have a long way too go.
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No, I think this would definitely be a problem. Enough goes on on a ship without adding to the mix.
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CMDCM Gene Treants
It may be time to get into the next century and start rethinking our priorities at sea.
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Absolutely not. First let's define what we are talking about. A gender is how one sees themself either male or female. A sex is the physical attributes that define that category. We already berth genders together due to differences in thought processes. Berthing sexes together would be a nightmare. First, The command would not be able to trust its people to sleep and not have sex thus increasing duty requirements, eg posting a rover. Second, Unit cohesion is built in the work center and the deck plates not in the berthings, this applies to ships not dirt based sailors. Third, the current system installed on multiple sex ships is working, don't fix what isn't broken. Finally, the seperation allows for a certain feeling of safety and security which increases productivity.
Leave the current system in place until the navy is willing to rescind the no sex on ships rule.
Leave the current system in place until the navy is willing to rescind the no sex on ships rule.
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CMDCM Gene Treants
Shipmate, I would hope that Navy NEVER rescinds the no sex on ships rule. That really would lead to chaos. Berthing genders together has little to do with thinking or thought processes, it is just a rule made by senior Naval leaders when they realized that women were going to have to be assigned to ships, OMG. When women were first assigned to ships (non-combatants, whatever that meant) they knew that the end of the Navy was just around the corner.
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Master Chief.
Too many people confuse the term gender and sex. They are not the same. Gender is what sex someone sees themself whether it is factual or not. Sex is a physical fact. So to answer your question I was trying to remove that confusion.
I have run a shop of four women and had no problems because they came to work and their jobs. However the only way to get away from sailors from having sex onboard is to remove the rule or keep them seperated. I hope the rule isn't removed because it will break down good order and discipline. Which is hard enough to maintain as it is. The system we have is operating so don't change it.
Too many people confuse the term gender and sex. They are not the same. Gender is what sex someone sees themself whether it is factual or not. Sex is a physical fact. So to answer your question I was trying to remove that confusion.
I have run a shop of four women and had no problems because they came to work and their jobs. However the only way to get away from sailors from having sex onboard is to remove the rule or keep them seperated. I hope the rule isn't removed because it will break down good order and discipline. Which is hard enough to maintain as it is. The system we have is operating so don't change it.
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Seriously The military wants to prevent sexual assault I am sure the Navy complies but does its best to try to temp people well men to commit those. I been on a ship with females lot goes on behind closed doors. Something like this will just be a big orgy in the berthing compartments which could also lead to rape or anything. Don't the lights have to go out at 10 PM. This is opening a big can of worms who even thought of this?
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CMDCM Gene Treants
Yes, Taps goes at 2200 and overhead lights go off, but many choose to read or otherwise have their bunk lights on past this time. Even though a lot may goon behind closed doors, I Cannot imagine a big orgy in berthing, but if you say so...
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I spent 3 years on (CVN70) and I would not think it would be a good idea to integrate.. Just leads to more problems... Remember most sailors are still young adults barely old enough to drink.
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CMDCM Gene Treants
PO3 Doyle Lagrand I would hope the Sailors on USS Carl Vinson (CVN-70), would be able to follow orders IF this ever did become reality. I have see what deployments and drinking can do to Sailors overseas if they do not have the maturity needed to handle themselves.
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