Posted on Jun 30, 2014
CMDCM Gene Treants
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In the US Navy we have Traditionally Berthed enlisted personnel by Department and Division on Ships. With the introduction of Women on ships the Enlisted Berthing Areas have now been segregated into males being berthed by Department and Division and females into their separate areas. Officers live in Staterooms of 1, 2, or more officers and so the problem is much easier to handle.

To me this has always been strange because it breaks up work groups and separates people artificially. Sex between Sailors on the same ship has never been allowed, so that should not be a problem (right!) Now we have the added mixture of people being openly gay yet still assigned to the same berthing considerations.

BEQs at Shore Establishments have different rules based on availability of housing more than on gender. Is it time for a change or not?
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PO3 Bree Benson
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Yes time for a change! As a woman I several times shared a tent with men when I was in Iraq and it was no problem
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PO1 Culinary Specialist
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Bad idea the stupidest thing i ever hered ur asking for trouble
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CMDCM Gene Treants
CMDCM Gene Treants
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Chiefs often ask stupid questions, someone has to. Otherwise we we would be still using sails.
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PO1 Autumn Sandeen
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Yup.
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PO2 Timothy Harko
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During my service I found that if someone wanted to be alone with a member of the other sex then their were a lot of place on the ship he or she could go not just the berthing. Integrating the breathings would be difficult but I do not think that it is out of the question. If integrated like a lot of the other navies around the world I feel that it would bild a stronger and more cohesive fighting unit to the combate theater.
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FN Rurik Schutte
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Edited 11 y ago
MCPO Gene Treants
My answer is not "politically correct" and I do not apologies for it. I'm just being real.

No, Keep it the Way it is. If we would have shard the same berthing we would have shard the same showers. and sometimes you don't change in the showers. BEQs are vary different "apples to oranges" and BEQs are still separated by gender. Berthings are are in the most part MC, you might or might not remember 6 pack living and your question could just be something you want opinions on, I don't know. The elephant in the room is that sex on the ship already happens underway and at home and in port calls (right!). Lines are blurred already. The curtains that are shut don't shut well and sometimes their are only 2 instead of 3. their were times when 6 men was uncomfortable. Captains Mast would go though the roof or females would have to be told to just suck it up. Horseplay would go terribly wrong horseplay does happen (right!) I don't agree with the current DADT but this would be like saying Don't have sex with with your shipmates but if you do use condoms, "we don't want to send our females shipmates off the ship just because they are pregnant" witch happens anyway to avoid deployment or.... (right!)

God gave men and women different ways of thinking, different ways of expressing themselves, male bonding is physical female bonding is verbal. If women are to be treaded or looked as the same as men them their is a big and vary wrong shift in what is right and what is wrong. Women are special and should be treaded as such. I don't mean pampered, but there MUST be a certain level of difference.

Females have the upper hand in when dealing with sexual issues. It doesn't matter what really happened their word trumps the male voice. (right!)
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PO3 Air Traffic Controller
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The amount of NJPS and sexual assault allegations would be ridiculous. And I would not wanna share a berthing with multiple females... I've heard some pretty gross stories.
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CPO Logistics Specialist
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In my 22 years in the Navy (12 of those at sea) experience there is no way this would EVER be a good idea. As we speak sex already happens on ships from Officers on down. I've seen dozens go to mast alone, and that's just the ones I know about. It would be like pouring gasoline on a large fire that is already going. Sure there are some that would be able to handle it, but there will be a lot that wouldn't. I'm sorry to say just because some has joined the military does not make them good people. I've seen everything from murder rape, pedophiles, drug use, theft and the list keep going. Also, sad to say and in my personal opinion the grade of sailor we are getting lately out of boot camp hold Honor, Courage and Commitment at a very different level. (not in a good way) Yes, I still see a few good ones and I give everyone a chance , but there still is a noticeable difference. Yes as leaders we are supposed to mold our personnel the best we can, but as the saying goes "you can't fix stupid". Very stupid idea and come on retirement!
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CMDCM Gene Treants
CMDCM Gene Treants
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Well CPO (Join to see) you are there on the frontlines today, so i have to give what you say quite a bit of credence. I have also seen all of the things you list and a few more and gone to mast and CM for many of them.

I agree that it might be difficult, but not impossible to do this, How often do we really, not counting officers staterooms, find sex going on in sleeping quarters?
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CPO Michael Stahl
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The berthing should stay separate. Yes, there are SOME females who will get pregnant just before a deployment, just as there are SOME maies who try to get out of deployment on a psych issue (suicide/homicide/anger management/etc.) While I am all for berthing Departments and Divisions together, mixed gender berthing won't work. Too many 18 y/o's and too many hormones.
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CMDCM Gene Treants
CMDCM Gene Treants
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CPO Michael Stahl heck Chief there are too man 40 and 50 year olds in midlife crisis. Go out and look at the parking lot. Then check how many of the 18 year olds are getting knocked up by those older guys in midlife crisis. (I left out the Cougars, but not intentionally just because.)

You and I both know that it is not just the 18yo or the men. This is a societal issue.
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CPO Michael Stahl
CPO Michael Stahl
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Agreed, MCPO. I also saw (and still see) the 30-50 y/o men chasing the younger women. To get back on topic, the temptations are going to big for some too handle at the age. Heck, I know some folks my age it would be too much for. In an ideal and purely professional world, it should work. But this is not the movies, and it is my belief that there will be harm than good.
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CPO Michael Stahl
CPO Michael Stahl
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*more harm than good. (I really need to read before I hit "send")
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CMDCM Gene Treants
CMDCM Gene Treants
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I often hit send b4 I do a final proof - hit edit and fix it CPO Michael Stahl.
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PO1 Aviation Electronics Technician
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We would be really stupid to even believe that sailors on ship do not have sexual intercourse. It would cause more negative impact on the Navy, with things like videos etc. I also believe recruitment would go down for females.
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CMDCM Gene Treants
CMDCM Gene Treants
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I have also taken a SCPO to mast for engaging in sex with a middie. Rank also has responsibilities as well as privileges. So, yes it does happen, but I cannot believe that it is going to happen more in berthing, the bunks are just to small and uncomfortable.
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PO2 Thomas MacDermott
PO2 Thomas MacDermott
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If "it" can get in, the space is big enough. LOL

They have placed people in a MRI to see the effects of sexual behavior on the body. Those are smaller than the bunks, if it can be done there (MRI) the bunks are the back seat of a Caddy.
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LCpl Senior Staff Writer
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Basic gender segregation in berthing and barracks is just good policy and continues to be so. When I was getting ready to ship to boot many moons ago, I vividly remember cooling my heels at MEPS waiting to swear my oath and get my plane ticket while chatting with a Army Reservist on his way to AIT, this Joe was showing me his boot camp "Year Book" and there were red Xs through a variety of male and female head shots. I asked what they were for, and he started listing off the various drop infractions, and a surprising number were being caught getting a quick barracks shag in.

In the field however you need to keep units with units, when shit goes tits up at 0'dark fuck this, I don't need to be scrambling to find PFC Suzy and PVT GI Jane in the dark when I need to be making sure my Marines are all together and moving towards the wire. Similarly, keeping family with family so to speak, means NCOs and Senior Lances can keep an ear to the ground if someone tries to cause trouble with the ladies. Make sure they have their space and their privacy sure, but better to keep them with the unit.
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CMDCM Gene Treants
CMDCM Gene Treants
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Understand what you are saying LCpl (Join to see) and ships are, well many ships are, small enough that uint integrity is easy to keep. Even with women concentrated in one or two berthing areas, it is not that difficult to find your work center personnel.
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Yep, its a different ball game on ship or in garrison compared to the field.
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