Posted on Jun 30, 2014
Should the US Navy allow all berthing areas on Ship to be open to both genders?
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In the US Navy we have Traditionally Berthed enlisted personnel by Department and Division on Ships. With the introduction of Women on ships the Enlisted Berthing Areas have now been segregated into males being berthed by Department and Division and females into their separate areas. Officers live in Staterooms of 1, 2, or more officers and so the problem is much easier to handle.
To me this has always been strange because it breaks up work groups and separates people artificially. Sex between Sailors on the same ship has never been allowed, so that should not be a problem (right!) Now we have the added mixture of people being openly gay yet still assigned to the same berthing considerations.
BEQs at Shore Establishments have different rules based on availability of housing more than on gender. Is it time for a change or not?
To me this has always been strange because it breaks up work groups and separates people artificially. Sex between Sailors on the same ship has never been allowed, so that should not be a problem (right!) Now we have the added mixture of people being openly gay yet still assigned to the same berthing considerations.
BEQs at Shore Establishments have different rules based on availability of housing more than on gender. Is it time for a change or not?
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I agree. Now we are not talking about open showers to the point of Starship troopers, but I do believe it should happen in time.
CMDCM Gene Treants
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FN Rurik Schutte
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The problem it would create outweighs whatever problem they would attempt to fix.
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CMDCM Gene Treants Master Chief, sorry I'm coming late to this party, but this showed up in the "trending discussions" bar, and I had some thoughts.
I would have to say that the time is not quite right to do so. In light of what happened aboard the Wyoming recently, I think it's, unfortunately, clear that there are some sailors who do not respect the privacy of their shipmates.
As for having gay sailors in the same berthing as straight sailors, I don't think that that's really an issue; presumably, there have been gay sailors in those compartments for a long time and they've kept their hands and eyes to themselves. When that isn't the case, though, I don't see it being handled in any manner that is different from when a straight sailor assaults another straight sailor.
I would have to say that the time is not quite right to do so. In light of what happened aboard the Wyoming recently, I think it's, unfortunately, clear that there are some sailors who do not respect the privacy of their shipmates.
As for having gay sailors in the same berthing as straight sailors, I don't think that that's really an issue; presumably, there have been gay sailors in those compartments for a long time and they've kept their hands and eyes to themselves. When that isn't the case, though, I don't see it being handled in any manner that is different from when a straight sailor assaults another straight sailor.
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CMDCM Gene Treants
PO1 Michael G. I really do understand about the issues concerning Wyoming, but if you notice, this thread was started 7 months ago when Wyoming was not an issue (and I posted that thread one month ago).
I agree that we have had gay sailors in the Navy for years, bit as to keeping hands and eyes to themselves, that I am not totally sure about.
I agree that we have had gay sailors in the Navy for years, bit as to keeping hands and eyes to themselves, that I am not totally sure about.
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If the U.S. Navy is even considering this, they might want to start by taking baby steps. First you should integrate co-ed bathrooms. Try that for a year or two and see how it works out before considering co-ed berthings. If our sailors are really as responsible as some people claim, this would be the best and least evasive way to prove it. If all works out, then we could move on to co-ed berthings. If it doesn't, then it's back to life as we know it.
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No. Trust me it is a bad Idea. It will cause more problems then its worth.
Believe me if they tried it on select ships it wouldn't take long for thwm to change back.
Believe me if they tried it on select ships it wouldn't take long for thwm to change back.
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Being on a ship with women......This would be a big mistake......For Many Many Many reasons.
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Only if it wants major trouble. Wives AND husbands who stay ashore & are not in the Navy will or should raise 7 kinds of hell if they know the berthings are co-ed. Not that they dont trust their spouse, its the other's in the coop they'd have issue with. If females are to remain on ship's, keep them in separate berthings. To make matters worse, I recently read that now the Navy is looking to put female enlisted on sub's...BAD idea. Those qtrs are even more cramped the n a conventional surface ship. Just how I feel...
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CMDCM Gene Treants
PO1 Michael Fullmer I did not look up your record so I don't know when you served. I do remember those exact same arguments when women were first going to be assigned to ships. I realize this is a big difference, but once again, do we allow our spouses to dictate police to DON or DOD? That is a real slippery slope. We did not cave to spouses as far as assigning women to ships. Women are in subs now, Officers and Enlisted are soon going, in spite of idiots in that force (USS Wyoming). ANd actually, having been on Tridents and Fast Attacks, they have as good, if not better enlisted quarters then many surface ships. (Do not tell the skimmers - and yes I am one.)
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Myself as a GSM2, I did indeed think about what if ALL us engineers were in the same berthing. Simply because they are my family I directly work with these men. I can have a pre watch wake up just like the males. It's not fun waking up other males just to make sure my relief is awake at for the mid or rev watch. Speaking for myself I have the responsibility and self discipline to NOT do what I am not suppose to. Sadly I cannot say that for others. As others have already mentioned there are numerous sexual altercations in todays world. It may get worse or be exactly the same if sexes were mixed. Is this a good idea OVERALL..no. Would I stay in a male berthing..yes. Not everyone in our forces are professional so do not be surprised if there is a increase of sexual activities being discovered within the same sex sleeping areas.
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