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Should there be a test to remain the rank you are? Should you be able to test up a rank? If you fail your test for the rank you are, should you be demoted? It seems pretty stupid the only way to advance is to have TIG and TIA. The real world recognizes if you are qualified, you move up. How is it that the Army can't see it?
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SGT (Join to see), the Army used to have MOS tests, not exclusively for promotion, but they played a part. And the Air Force still does test for certain promotions (enlisted, I think). Since I spent 30 years getting promoted and watching other get promoted the "Army way," I don't especially like the idea of tests. I like the way the Army does it now.
There's probably room for improvement on both sides of this debate. Just using a test is kind of a false measure of a person. Maybe a hybrid approach would work best -- require TIG and TIS, but count a test as one part of the overall promotion score, part of the whole person concept. I could see that working for the Army. The thing is, they tried it once before and decided to do away with it.
There's probably room for improvement on both sides of this debate. Just using a test is kind of a false measure of a person. Maybe a hybrid approach would work best -- require TIG and TIS, but count a test as one part of the overall promotion score, part of the whole person concept. I could see that working for the Army. The thing is, they tried it once before and decided to do away with it.
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CW5 Montgomery, thank you for your view. I am curious why you like TIS and TIG. I fail to see how it is relavent to getting promoted. It should be merit based, solely.
I joined the Army at the ripe age of 32. As a 33 year old PFC, I have a lot more knowledge and common sence than a 20 year old Srg. Yet, even if I know the right way to do something, I have to listen to a kid who doesn't know much because he is higher rank. I'm not saying they didn't earn their rank, I should be able to show my knowledge and earn the rank, just a deferent way. TIS and TIG do not show your worth or knowledge. There should be a way to advance, it would help the Army put experience to work. Knowledge is power.
I joined the Army at the ripe age of 32. As a 33 year old PFC, I have a lot more knowledge and common sence than a 20 year old Srg. Yet, even if I know the right way to do something, I have to listen to a kid who doesn't know much because he is higher rank. I'm not saying they didn't earn their rank, I should be able to show my knowledge and earn the rank, just a deferent way. TIS and TIG do not show your worth or knowledge. There should be a way to advance, it would help the Army put experience to work. Knowledge is power.
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I don't necessarily disagree with you, SGT (Join to see). If I got a vote, I would go back to some sort of MOS test being part of the promotion calculus, but only part.
Having joined a little later in life, you may be an exception to the rule, but I think TIG and TIS requirements are there for a reason - to "season" a person and allow them to mature and be ready to move up to the next rank and the next higher set of responsibilities.
We'll have to hear from the Air Force, but I think - even with their use of tests for promotions - they have some TIS/TIG requirements.
Rank is not only about technical expertise, it's also about tactical proficiency (and maturity ... and lessons learned as a person works their way up the ranks).
Having joined a little later in life, you may be an exception to the rule, but I think TIG and TIS requirements are there for a reason - to "season" a person and allow them to mature and be ready to move up to the next rank and the next higher set of responsibilities.
We'll have to hear from the Air Force, but I think - even with their use of tests for promotions - they have some TIS/TIG requirements.
Rank is not only about technical expertise, it's also about tactical proficiency (and maturity ... and lessons learned as a person works their way up the ranks).
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I agree, CW5 Montgomery, the purpose of TIS and TIG is to season the young bloods. However, I still think that maybe a waiver, or some sort of exception to the rule, should be in place so we don't waste the talents of older people joining. I got lucky and went to a unit that respected my age. I was never "smoked", partly because I didn't do anything to deserve it, and partly because they respected me. I went to a light infantry unit as a POG, 92Y. I can see others not getting as lucky.
Again, I appreciate your insight. Thank you
Again, I appreciate your insight. Thank you
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No because some peoples jobs are too broad and you aren't always working in the MOS you were trained in.
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I believe it would be good for NCO's; even the promotion from E4 to E5, but below that it is unnecessary as the majority are still learning and getting used to things.
In my unit I have seen many E4's be promoted into an E5 slot that aren't ready for that next step; whether it be lack of leadership, knowledge or even self discipline. I don't think TIG and TIS should be the determining key.
In my unit I have seen many E4's be promoted into an E5 slot that aren't ready for that next step; whether it be lack of leadership, knowledge or even self discipline. I don't think TIG and TIS should be the determining key.
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