Posted on Dec 2, 2014
TSgt Jackie Jones
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In most states, the Court is recognizing Veterans that have committed a crime and offering a different type of program to them. (In line with the probation that they may already be granted). How do the masses feel about it?

I understand the specialized need for treatment for certain Veterans and that everyone should be treated as an individual, on a case by case basis, which I hope is how this would be carried out by all, but for those with significant criminal histories, should they get the specialized options?
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LTC Scott O'Neil
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NO, emphatically NO!!!!!! That is like saying a police officer or firemen deserve special treatment for crimes of murder or arson. Come on be serious, everyone needs to be treated equally in the eyes of the law.
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PFC Donnie Harold Harris
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Blind spots they call it in some places. That causes,well never mind.
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SPC Eod Team Member
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Honestly, no I don't believe that veterans should receive special treatment. If the fourteenth amendment of the constitution means anything it means "equal protection under law". That should mean both in the for and against opinions of jurors and judges. Equal protection means just that, equal protection. No matter who you are you should get the same rewards or punishment for the same action.
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SPC Rebecca Vazquez-Lozano
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I just have one more thing to add there are so many veterans who dont even know about the veterans court who wouldve benefitted and deffinately deserved legal help. My husband wouldnt be still sitting in prison today if for one his chain of command wouldve paid enough attention to see he needed help and two he wouldve had a veterans court behind him
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TSgt Jackie Jones
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Unfortunately, veterans courts are fairly new in most places. Others still don't have them up and running yet. Veterans status should be addressed at or around the time of arraignment.
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SPC Rebecca Vazquez-Lozano
SPC Rebecca Vazquez-Lozano
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Does anyone know if phoenix arizona has a veterans court implemented yet
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1SG Cameron M. Wesson
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TSgt Jackie Jones TSGT Jones... I will start of and say NO. We are not above the law and should receive no special "exemption" because of service... with an quasi exception and that I'll explain at the bottom.

Now, before the crucifixion begins... my position is one of the story of the Wolf, Sheep, and Sheepdog. I am a sheepdog... as many of us are that serve. I protect... still... the sheep from the wolf. Now, unfortunately, the sheep are wary of me because I look like a wolf. They know the wolf is bad and they are scared of the wolf... and we, because we look like a wolf, are not completely trust. Why? We are akin to wolves!

So when a sheepdog breaks the faith with the shepherd... and hurts the sheep... the penalty must be hard and swift. That is way I answer no special treatment for those you mention above. I cause challenges for all the other sheep dogs that are trying to protect the flock.

I'll now drop the other foot.

There are some of our brothers and sisters out there that need help. Unfortunately it is not known/seen until to late, or almost to late. They are now in trouble... or in and out of trouble... and the root cause is service connected. Here is where I relent and say, yes they do deserve a specialized option. As we have put them in this dilemma, or helped, we have to try an get them the help they require. That doesn't mean a "get out of jail free card" it means help... and they still answer to the music.

my 2 cents
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1SG Cameron M. Wesson
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PFC Donnie Harold Harris I would submit that "above the Law" was apart of the equation when the statement "In most states, the Court is recognizing Veterans that have committed a crime and offering a different type of program to them."

If a person has a different series of actions that are not them same as offered to others then again I would submit that this falls into an "above the law" catagory... or alteast "special treatment"... no unlike that seen for the rich or famous.

Just my 2 cents
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PFC Donnie Harold Harris
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There is all kinds of law out there. Compounded they create walls and friction. When you consider the law of electricity and machines; one can cause power. But does that power indeed come from the cause? Or but effect of effect? There is no reason not to give them a better footing. After all they have played on a larger playing field than ordinary man. That puts then @ a higher expectation.
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SFC Robert Miller
SFC Robert Miller
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We should be treated as any other offender.
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1SG Cameron M. Wesson
1SG Cameron M. Wesson
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PFC Donnie Harold Harris i understand your point but disagree... There is a reason. They became a wolf... And stopped being a sheep dog. They should be treated like any other wolf. Again... My opinion.
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Capt Mark Strobl
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WTH? Really?! This is a matter of personal accountability. We all (well, most of us) took oaths to "support & defend" the Constitution. I would submit that we would, similarly, agree to support & defend all Constitutionally valid laws. At what point to we quit blaming bad decisions on such things as child abuse, PTSD, and the like?! If I got into a drunken binge & subsequently committed a crime, to who does the responsibility fall? Me. If there are mitigating circumstances, I hire a lawyer to present my case... and let the proverbial chips fall will they may.
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SGT Michael Moore
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I'd say yes, If the situation was to such that the veteran showed PTSD was in part the issue. After all the veteran paid the price and may still be dealing with it.
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MSG Assistant Inspector General
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TSgt Jackie Jones , great question. There are a ton of variables to this but I think that it is safe to say that generally speaking military service should be considered when deciding punishment for veterans. I know that as a police officer I have let many soldiers out of a ticket just for being in the military. The only counter to this is should veterans be held to a higher standard?
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SGT Jason Mouret
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I think it depends on the level of crime. But I definitely think we should have special treatment for bankruptcy and forclosers.
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SCPO Lee Pradia
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PTSD should be identified and treated, however, once a crime is committed it's a whole different ball game. All veterans should be held accountable for their actions, rape, murder, theft, assault, drugs and all others. We were held to a higher standard while on active duty, why should it be different afterwards. Most had been diagnosed and remained on active duty without incident. Unless there's some serious mitigating circumstances ie; self defense, no special treatment.
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SSgt Bradley Woelfel
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As a Marine and a Police Officer, I think it depends on the situation and the crime. Most crimes do not deserve special treatment for Veterans like me. Veterans, above civilians, should know better and have a responsibility to act in a way that makes everyone else look up to us.
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