Posted on Aug 29, 2021
Should we drop a MOAB on Bagram Air Base on our way out? Should we use smaller ordinance to destroy all the other base's we have built?
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It's clear that the so called Afghan Army lacks the patriotism and love of country to fight for it. After nearly 20 years of training they can't even do a simple "jumping jack"! It's my opinion that we bugged out to suddenly but the Afghan Army should still have pick up the torch and fought for their country...they shouldn't have to depend to the help from other countries. They are all running around like chickens with their heads cut off in fear of the Taliban and others. They are so afraid they try clinging to the side of a C-17 and eventually fall to their deaths. I ask you, wouldn't it be better to fight with all your might than to do something akin to suicide. If you thought you were gonna die anyway wouldn't that give you the courage to fight back even stronger? This is just one veterans opinion and you know what they say about opinions, "opinions are like assholes everybody has one",
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I like your opinion and say we let the Taliban get comfortable at Bagram and then bomb the shit out of them.
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You suffer from one blinding misconception. One which, frankly, most of the world suffers from. And that is the concept of Afghanistan as a nation. For tjw overwhelming majority of Afghans, tje "nation" of Afghanistan is lines on a map that other people worry about. They have NEVER been a unified or cohesive nation as we think of one. Even in 2019, after years of nation building by the US and NATO and before everyone pulled out, even them, the Afghan President was often refered to as the mayor of Kabul; because that is just about all he had effective control over.
Love of nation? What nation? Even now, as the Taliban establish their "rule" over Afghanistan, it is incomplete. Tribes will continue to be tribal.
Love of nation? What nation? Even now, as the Taliban establish their "rule" over Afghanistan, it is incomplete. Tribes will continue to be tribal.
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No we shouldn't because then you're just killing innocent people who never asked for any of this. Most of the people in Afghanistan outside the cities just want to live their lives how they want to live them. They didn't ask for the US to come in. They don't want the government we have. They have a different culture and mindset. They just want to be left alone to live - left alone by the Taliban, the US, everyone.
So no we don't need to be dropping any bombs anywhere anymore. Have we not learned in the history of our existence that bombing things doesn't solve a fucking thing? Have we not learned in 20 years in Afghanistan and everyone else who went there before us that no amount of military might is going to matter in Afghanistan? FFS people - they aren't going to be able to maintain half the stuff the ANA abandoned. They can't operate most of it. So no I'm not worried about them "using it against" us.
So no we don't need to be dropping any bombs anywhere anymore. Have we not learned in the history of our existence that bombing things doesn't solve a fucking thing? Have we not learned in 20 years in Afghanistan and everyone else who went there before us that no amount of military might is going to matter in Afghanistan? FFS people - they aren't going to be able to maintain half the stuff the ANA abandoned. They can't operate most of it. So no I'm not worried about them "using it against" us.
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SSG Robert Perrotto
SFC Kelly Fuerhoff - Fat man and Little Boy did convince the Japanese Imperial Command to agree to an unconditional surrender, something they were adamantly opposed to. They wanted to keep the gains they made in Asia in exchange for a cease of hostilities. Something the Allies were never going to agree to.
I am going to quote U.S. Grant "If men make war in slavish obedience to rules, they will fail" - as true today as it was in his time. We lose these types of conflicts because we adhere, slavishly, to a set of rules our opposition does not follow. The Taliban is much stronger today, then they were when we started. We poured billions into streamlining and updating their infrastructure, are leaving tons of military gear behind, most of which you can google the TM's and operator manuals, and it is folly to believe that they cannot learn how to use what we teach our 18 year old servicemembers to use.
Again, I will point out, other then a little grumbling, what the fuck is the rest of the world going to do if we decide to reduce Bagram to rubble? Russia still has Crimea, despite world opinion, and even has a joint energy agreement with Germany, in which hundreds of millions, if not billions, will flow into Russia.
I am going to quote U.S. Grant "If men make war in slavish obedience to rules, they will fail" - as true today as it was in his time. We lose these types of conflicts because we adhere, slavishly, to a set of rules our opposition does not follow. The Taliban is much stronger today, then they were when we started. We poured billions into streamlining and updating their infrastructure, are leaving tons of military gear behind, most of which you can google the TM's and operator manuals, and it is folly to believe that they cannot learn how to use what we teach our 18 year old servicemembers to use.
Again, I will point out, other then a little grumbling, what the fuck is the rest of the world going to do if we decide to reduce Bagram to rubble? Russia still has Crimea, despite world opinion, and even has a joint energy agreement with Germany, in which hundreds of millions, if not billions, will flow into Russia.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
SFC Kelly Fuerhoff - I'll have to point out that the Soviets didn't enter the War with Japan until after Hiroshima and on the same day as Nagasaki. It was evident that Japan would fall. The Supreme Council of Japan sent word of acceptance of the Potsdam Agreement the same day that the Soviets declared War. The Peace Treaty was a done deal by the time the Soviets invaded Mongolia, Manchuria and Korea, a campaign that continued until Sept 2.
Even before Hiroshima, Japan was isolated, it not longer had any effective anti aircraft capabilities, the firebombing had left most Japanese cities in ruin and American Subs owned the water around Japan and the Air Force owned the sky.
Even before Hiroshima, Japan was isolated, it not longer had any effective anti aircraft capabilities, the firebombing had left most Japanese cities in ruin and American Subs owned the water around Japan and the Air Force owned the sky.
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SGM Steve Wettstein
SFC Kelly Fuerhoff - I agree with you on not dropping a MOAB, it's just to big and to much collateral damage. IMO we should use some GBU-29,
250-lb JDAMs on all aircraft, vehicles and weapon storage sites.
250-lb JDAMs on all aircraft, vehicles and weapon storage sites.
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SFC Kelly Fuerhoff
SGM Steve Wettstein - Or...we just stop acting like we can bomb an ideology out of existence - because we haven't been able to do that in at least the last 20 years.
How about it's pretty damn disgusting that the lot of you want to just bomb an entire people out of existence that did nothing to us. The Taliban aren't the majority of Afghanistan. For 20 years we've been bombing the Taliban and what good did it do? None. It's back to where it was in 2001 before 9/11. So obviously bombing and 'military might" don't work. Maybe we need to go a different direction and stop the constant wars/conflicts. The majority of the existence of the US has been nothing but war!! We have rarely had peace. I don't get why people - especially those who have served - don't have an issue with hundreds of years of war.
How about it's pretty damn disgusting that the lot of you want to just bomb an entire people out of existence that did nothing to us. The Taliban aren't the majority of Afghanistan. For 20 years we've been bombing the Taliban and what good did it do? None. It's back to where it was in 2001 before 9/11. So obviously bombing and 'military might" don't work. Maybe we need to go a different direction and stop the constant wars/conflicts. The majority of the existence of the US has been nothing but war!! We have rarely had peace. I don't get why people - especially those who have served - don't have an issue with hundreds of years of war.
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