Posted on Mar 11, 2015
Should we really get BAH and BAS if we are deployed?
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This will surely be a heated debate. As leaders we are looking for ways to be smart with our money, so why do we all get full BAH and BAS when we are deployed? We are provided with housing and food without any costs to us overseas. So should we be given BAH and BAS while deployed?
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My rent does not go away when I deploy. I still pay that, I still pay for utilities minus cable and cell phone. One could say you could move out and put all your stuff in storage. That would be a huge hardship IMO. There are a bunch of reasons this is unacceptable to even suggest. In some markets finding a place to rent isn't that easy. Also not everyone rents. Some people buy a property and still have to pay their mortgage. Unless congress were to enact a law to freeze mortgages for deployed personnel, which will never happen, then it would be a substantial loss of income.
As long as you are maintaining a lease or mortgage you should continue to get it. The government can find ways to get money without screwing us over at very turn.
As long as you are maintaining a lease or mortgage you should continue to get it. The government can find ways to get money without screwing us over at very turn.
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SFC(P) (Join to see)
We all do things we do not want to do. No one told you to buy a house. No one told you to rent a house. You just need to have adequate housing. I do not see what hardship you take by putting items in storage. It would probably be cheaper than the mortgage on the house. If you rent a house then you should have made sure you can get out of it when you deploy, PCS or ETS. That isn't anyone else's fault but your own. If you want to buy a house that is on you. The military will provide you housing. Why should they house you while deployed AND pay for your house while you are deployed? With this attitude and your way of thinking, they should pay for your housing cost at multiple bases if you buy at one place and rent at another.
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BAH should still be given to service members that have dependents back home. Many service members are the sole source of income for their families and without BAH their dependents could end up without a home or a means of support.
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If you plan to come back to your home, you probably have to keep paying the bills. Just saying.
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BAH is for dependent housing. Not for the Soldier. So yes on that part. BAS no we shouldn't. BAS is for the Soldier to eat. Not the dependent.
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Why are we really even asking this question? Of course a portion of the reason we do this job is to be part of something greater than ourselves and to protect those back home but lets be realistic. Were not at the point where people are going to do this job for free. Instead of taking more and more away from the people doing all the work for what is sometimes not nearly enough money lets take away from the "CEO's" i mean politicians who are getting several hundred thousand in wages and kickbacks and stop snubbing the working man!
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if you are getting before you are deployed you should continue to get it when deployed
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You only get BAH if you do NOT live on base, which is either due to overcrowding or youre a reservist. I don't understand why this is even a topic. BAH isn't required in most instances as the military doesn't need to pay for a service member's housing if they live on base, as its 'paid' for already, but a reservist who is called to duty knows there is a usually tremendous pay gap if they only have pay and not BAH. Its not rocket science, the civilian sector has MUCH higher wages, so the DoD should mitigate or atleast have decency to make up the difference somewhat.
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Both BAH and BAS don't only help service members that live in non-government housing it also helps the family members of that service member while they are deployed. I think that if you are a service member with no dependants then maybe not receive the full, but those thay do should still get full BAH and BAS.
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Like others are saying on here, just because you are deployed does not mean you have no responsibility back home. A lot of people own a home, the mortgage payment doesnt stop. If you have a wife and kids, they still need to be able to maintain the home and pay all the bills. I know the BAS is designed for the service member, but that helps put food on the table for your family too. There is no way BAH and BAS shoudl stop. Thats my opinion anyhow...
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Yes because most of us aren't leaving a location to which we will never return. When deployment is over, we're going back to the same house.
If you're not getting BAH, who pays the mortgage on our homes (empty or dependents either way)?
If you're not getting BAH, who pays the mortgage on our homes (empty or dependents either way)?
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BAH is for a Soldier's family......not a source of income to pay a mortgage. That said, clearly the regulatory guidance is there for a reason. The initial question of the post is clearly hypothetical, thus the "should" aspect and not the "what is the policy" aspect.
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Not necessarily for a Soldier's family. Single Soldiers qualify for BAH although at a lesser rate. I love how people here are saying "for those w/ dependents only." Well, many times in convoys, the gunner or dismount is a SPC w/ no dependents.
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BAH should continue as you are required to maintain a household for your family. Just because you deploy doesn't mean that you have to stop paying the rent. As for BAS, yes it should stop.. BAS is specifically for the service member not for the family. While deployed you are provided mess facilities.
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Staff, you have obviously not thought this through all the way. While it is true that one GI may be provided a Mess facility with great hot chow three times a day, others receive nothing more than two or three MRE's a day. You cannot get the required differential pay of BAS for this done with the amount of office workers required to sit down with each individual this effects.
What should a guy like me be in theater eating MRE's while another gets fat on KBR double rations? Can you honestly say that MRE is worth BAS? NO, you cannot, especially when it;'s compared to the double rations that are served in the mess halls of such places like Bagram or Kandahar
What should a guy like me be in theater eating MRE's while another gets fat on KBR double rations? Can you honestly say that MRE is worth BAS? NO, you cannot, especially when it;'s compared to the double rations that are served in the mess halls of such places like Bagram or Kandahar
SSG Stacy Carter
Actually I did think this through. I know that there are individual cases where there are no mess facilities available while down range. Those cases should be dealt with on a case by case basis.
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The manpower required to do this in theater will increase costs to a level that is not worth taking away the BAS. The amount of BAS taken away would be far less than the cost of sending more support troops in S1 to take care of these individuals or units on a one to one basis which is required for any pay issue.
Consider the cost of 10 GI's for BAS is about $1420. Add just 1 S1 GI to that, and you pay THAT GI <$2750. Now tell me, how is that cost effective? You are talking about spending twice plus, what it takes to take away a small amount of money.
You are still not thinking this all the way through. Even with a 20:1 ratio of G:POG the rate does not ever come close to being cost effective because the more G you add, the higher rank plus more POG you have to add to take care of it, and it never becomes cost effective.
The housing issue is moot because you cannot force a man or woman's family to move out while they are deployed. That can get the deployed individual killed because now they not only have the stress of deployment, but are now focused upon their family's housing issue back home.
Consider the cost of 10 GI's for BAS is about $1420. Add just 1 S1 GI to that, and you pay THAT GI <$2750. Now tell me, how is that cost effective? You are talking about spending twice plus, what it takes to take away a small amount of money.
You are still not thinking this all the way through. Even with a 20:1 ratio of G:POG the rate does not ever come close to being cost effective because the more G you add, the higher rank plus more POG you have to add to take care of it, and it never becomes cost effective.
The housing issue is moot because you cannot force a man or woman's family to move out while they are deployed. That can get the deployed individual killed because now they not only have the stress of deployment, but are now focused upon their family's housing issue back home.
SSG Stacy Carter
The manpower to do this is not a great as you think. I did this for my Company of 200+ Soldiers by myself while we were in Djibouti, Africa. We had teams going out to remote areas on a daily basis and I would start and stop BAS, Tax exemptions and make sure TDY was approved. It really is not that hard.
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Mortgages and rent are not put on hold by deployment, so BAH should definitely continue. BAS, being for the SM to eat, should not be paid because you receive meals in the chow hall and can claim your meal expenses incurred on travel days on your travel allowance.
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So you are saying that one SM who gets two or three MREs a day is equal to some other SM who gets double rations in a KBR mess hall? Think this through SGT. You miss the work/personnel required to do the differential pay that would be demanded for the inequity. No S1 section has the man power or hours to dedicate to this in theater, or even in garrison.
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You should get housing because you still have to maintain a home. BAS maybe not, it isn't for your dependents, it's for you and you are already getting it. On the other hand you do have to pay for your meals in the chow hall if you get BAS, so it shouldn't matter.
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I vote YES you should, my phone scrolled up when I tried to vote and I hit the wrong one by accident. I hate delays in technology!!!
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I have already heard many of my single SM friends that don't understand why those with dependants get more BAH as it is. I couldn just imagine the uproar if we tried to take away the BAH or BAS from those without dependants. Though the only thing that I think should ever be considered would be the BAS for those single SMs that are deployed/being provided food free of charge at the DFAC.
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PO2 Vince Chmiel
While I completely agree with you on the BAH, I have to disagree about the BAS. BAS is intended strictly for the SM. Why stop BAS only for those SMs without dependents?
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I'm not saying that they should, I only believe that is the most that I think should ever be considered. Besides it really wouldn't be that far of a stretch, when an Airman is living in the dorms they are not provided BAS because all they need to do is scan their CAC at the DFAC in order to eat. Whether BAS is intended to help support dependants or not I couldn't see it ever being accepted to take that monthly allowance away from someone with a family to support.
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This is the dumbest question I've ever heard. First, I don't get BAS when I'm deployed or attached to a ship because the food is provided in the ship's galley. Second, I still have to pay my landlord the full rent regardless of whether I'm on the boat and underway or if I'm inport and home most nights.
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PO1 (Join to see) most of us get the BAS, hence the question. So the Navy does not give you BAS, now we know. Thanks for sharing.
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BAH since we still have to pay rent or mortgage especially to support your family back home, but BAS should not be paid out if meals are provided....
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