Posted on Feb 4, 2015
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Should we as Americans view the video of the Jordanian pilot being executed by ISIS? Many news media organizations are refusing to show it due to its sheer brutality and disturbing nature. They argue that it helps to spread ISIS's propaganda message of terror and fear. Other news organizations have shown pictures from the video and have provided links (with warnings about the graphic content) to the video in full. They argue that it is necessary to understand the magnitude of the incident. I have my own thoughts on this ethical dilemma, but I want to hear what the RallyPoint community thinks about this. Should the video be shown in the media? Would you watch it? Is it spreading terrorist propaganda or understanding the enemy?
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I have no interest in watching any of the videos from Isis. I do not need to watch the video to understand what is going on.
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SSG Kyle Shelton
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I read what the video entailed so I found no need to watch it. I've smelt THAT smell and don't need to start again. Rest his soul.
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I pose a question to your question, will watching it change anything? Watching a mans last moments? I don't think watching it will change how I feel about ISIS.
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I agree with you PO2 (Join to see) that watching it won't change anything for me. But might it change something for some people? I wonder if the pictures changed things for the Jordanian people more so than the descriptions did...
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If watching our own citizens being killed by ISIS didn't make your blood boil will another countries dead? I am with you I wish it would but I fear that nothing has changed
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I respect each and every person's reason for watching or choosing to not watch the video and would NOT challenge either for being right or wrong. It's a personal issue!

With that being said, I watched the 22 minute video in our EOC where I work. For me, the more I watched the madder I got. When it was over I was boiling in anger. I watched intently the uniformed ISIS Terrorist standing around and watching what was happen and their reactions as the pilot burned in that cage. I wished somehow I or anyone could and would have put him out of his msiery; My other main thoughts were wishing that somehow I could one of the ones who could send every damn one of them to hell and watch them burn and rot in hell!

Islam media that favors ISIS will use the video as a recruiting tool. This is only one more example of them many atrosities ISIS has comitted. I personally believe the World could use the same video to wage anger and rage against ISIS and bring together a coalition of forces that could and should eliminate them from the face of the earth. This is something that is not going to just go away by Leaders of Nations just standing in front of the microphone talking about it; making irrational comparisons to former events in history and making claims claims like ISIS is a JV team and ISIS is not true Islam. If you watch this video, you will see this is no damn JV Team). It does not matter whether it is or not this is true Islam; the threat (however you want to describe it iis real and damn time to defeat it. We will never be able to completely wipe it out; however, collectively ISIS can be made to be irrevelent, just as was done with Nazism. Each and every time it rises, it must be killed.

Like WWII, this battle is mostly far off from home for the most part and has not reached our shores as it has the Middle East and spreading through other parts of N. Africa and Europe. Hopefully we will not wait for another Pearl Harbor to occur before our leadership gets off it's ass and decides to do something. The longer we sit on the side lines the sooner it will arrive and the more carnage it will bring. Hopefully it will not take another World Trade Center massacre to wake us up.

Would showing the video for all to see make a difference, I honestly do not know. I know what it did for me.

I understand the solution is not as simple as I have put it here and for those who may disagree, that is fine. Just an old simple Soldier's viewpoint to a complicated world issue.
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COL Charles Williams
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No, that is what they want. We get it. No need to watch. They are twisted and need to be destroyed, not by us alone, but by the peace loving muslims in the region.
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SFC A.M. Drake
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I watched it and I will tell you this: there is a special place in Hell for those that kill the innocent. I watched it and to see the depravity of a human being toward one another is depressing!
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CPO Travis Mack
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In truth, it really depends on what purpose it will serve for you. Morbid curiosity? I say no. If you truly want some perspective on the enemy you face, their capabilities, how they view themselves and how they view you as their enemy, then yes. It needs to strike a chord with you. It's one thing to hear, "ISIS released of video of them setting a man on fire." It's something COMPLETELY different, not only to watch the video, but to see the amount of "production" put into the video; to see the way they turned the victim into the main character of what was essentially a short film on his specific combat related role, his walk through the apparent bomb damage, spliced in with amateur news video of dead and wounded among the rubble, and seemingly cathartic coming to terms with 'what he's done', all before executing him by setting the fuel-soaked ground beneath him (and his fuel soaked clothes) on fire. You rarely hear that they also offer a bounty on the heads of other pilots from other nations involved, or the fact that they list names, pictures, ranks and even specific coordinates, and google earth imagery of supposed officer and family housing on where to find other pilots. True, that last part may all be BS propaganda and may not even be accurate, but in either case it's a good inbrief on your enemy's mindset.
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CW3 Jared Hickox
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I think most adults and college aged students should see this video. Not because a man is being burned to death, but because most Americans forget (or never knew) how brutal the world can be. If we, as humans, do not stand up to these barbaric act's outside our gates, we are destined to see them within.
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It's a difficult question because I agree on some level with the comments that the general public doesn't understand the brutality of what is going on. I don't think they see war and violence through the lenses of hollywood, TV and movies. They rest easy believing that a sniper shot puts a neat little hole in someone and, while it is sad that they are dead, it looks like they are peacefully resting. They don't witness the full force of a head exploding or pints of blood bursting out of a body. In this case, they don't understand the full depth of the sight, sound, even the smell of burning flesh.

I think the question then becomes "who would benefit?" What response do expect would come from a civilian populace accustomed to cul-de-sacs, mcdonalds drive-thru, and starbucks? What is the desired response?

I think sometimes we believe "if only they knew how things worked, they would be on our side." I think the horror of war affects everyone differently. Some may see the video of the pilot being burned alive and think "mobilize the entire Army, lets go back" and others would say "keep my people as far away from that as possible." There are even some that would say "this is our fault for interfering in the first place, we will only make things worse."

In the end, I think my preference would be that nobody watches these videos. 1. It's what the enemy wants. 2. I don't want others to experience that kind of trauma if they don't have to. and 3. I don't think they've received the appropriate training, nor have they volunteered for the job that we did where it's included in the job description.
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I have absolutely no desire to view the video. I know Daesh is evil and I don't need to be reminded. I can honor the memory of the good Captain by remembering how he lived and what he fought for as a fellow airman, not by watching his brutal murder at the hands of an uncompromising enemy.
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