Posted on Feb 17, 2017
Similar to the E-2 question, how would you react to a young 2LT who is being unprofessional with a strong sense of entitlement?
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Here's the background. You are an experienced Soldier. You walk in to the commissary to see a young 2LT shopping with a headset on. You professionally and politely get the 2LT’s attention and address the deficiency. They blatantly are rude, dismiss your comment, and tell you that those rules do not apply to him as an officer. Whether you are an Officer or Enlisted, how do you react?
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As an Air Force E-9 (CMSgt), I have had plenty of opportunities to help Os up to O-5 understand the proper wear of the uniform. Once at Ramstein a smart-alec captain pushed back and I asked him if he wanted the mechanic working on his airplane to decide which rules to follow when fixing the jet. I reminded the captain (now this was at the check out in the Ramstein shoppette) that the rules are there for a reason and if you can't follow the simple rules, how can I trust you to follow the hard rules? That ended the conversation. The ideal situation is to be polite and professional, but I have found some times where I've had to step on that O because they simply didn't know how to take constructive feedback. If it happened in public, that use usually their fault, thinking they were somehow above the rules. What are those core values? Integrity, Service, Excellence? Yeah, those are pretty simple to follow...well, not really, because so many in our Air Force continue to fail, daily.
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As an E-9 (CMSgt) I have actually had to speak to officers through the grade of O-6 on proper wear of the uniform. I've had to "help" 2LTs understand they are no different than and E-1-E-4, except for their status of an office and likely know far less. I have explained, sometimes in not so nice of terms, that they need to go the clinic and have the procotologist remove their heads from the dark place had been residing. But as a Chief, that 2LT was going to listen, my job at that point was to keep them from embarrassing themselves further.
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I was walking to the comm center for a message run one day as a young Lance Corporal of Marines. I walked by a 2d lt and saluted with the appropriate greeting "Good morning/afternoon, Sir" whichever it was. He looked right past me without so much as a middle finger in my direction. I shrugged it off until I heard "LANCE CORPORAL" in a very serious, gravely and deep voice. It was the Master Gunnery Sergeant who had an office in my building, an he was standing with the LT at parade rest. I returned and addressed him, "Yes Master Gunnery Sergeant?" He responded, "You know, LIEUTENANT, I know I've been out of basic training one or two years, but I somehow missed the part where a young Marine renders a salute, a show of respect, is blown off without a proper response, and that that is somehow a proper exchange of courtesies." The lieutenant apologized, to the Master Gunnery Sergeant, and stated "Sorry, I'm having a bad day". MSGYT said 'Don't apologize to me, apologize to the young Marine you disrespected", and the lieutenant did so, to his credit. I felt a start over was in order, so I saluted him and said "Good morning, Sir" and he replied "Good morning, Lance Corporal." He turned to the Master Gunnery Sergeant, awkwardly awaiting a salute, and Master Gunny looked at him and said " That is all, lieutenant." His hands never left his pockets.
Now I know that last response was inappropriate, so the doo gooders here don't need to blast me for it. I sure as hell wasn't going to correct a Master Gunnery Sergeant who cut his teeth in Vietnam especially since he was sticking up for me. I learned that much in the Corps if nothing else.
Now I know that last response was inappropriate, so the doo gooders here don't need to blast me for it. I sure as hell wasn't going to correct a Master Gunnery Sergeant who cut his teeth in Vietnam especially since he was sticking up for me. I learned that much in the Corps if nothing else.
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The old saying used to be with all do respect to your rank sir, you are out of line. You have to respect the rank but not the person.
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As an NCO I was doing a bag drag inspection per my Col's direction. I had a junior officer who was missing his duffle bag and had all his gear in personal bags. When I asked him where it was I was told "I'm not buying a bag they didn't issue me"
After finishing the inspections I notified my Col of the results, discrepancies and of said officer's attitude and comments.
The Col brought him into his office and dressed him down for the attitude and was very irate over the way he responded to my inquiry. Since I was doing what the Col directed me to do, the Col considered it as disrespecting him.
After finishing the inspections I notified my Col of the results, discrepancies and of said officer's attitude and comments.
The Col brought him into his office and dressed him down for the attitude and was very irate over the way he responded to my inquiry. Since I was doing what the Col directed me to do, the Col considered it as disrespecting him.
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Depending on the severity of the infraction and on JUST HOW RUDE the BUTTERBAR was, you walk it up the chain. As a Marine, it is OUR beloved Corps. We are ALL Marines and WE police ourselves. Not that it has not happened once or twice in 247 years but, I believe such things are more prone to happen in the Army.
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Unless he was in my unit, I would do nothing. I'm sure that eventually a ranking officer will notice and correct him.
If he was in my unit, I'd be cordial and tell my Sergeant Major. They have a way with "correcting" junior officers that is second to none.
If he was in my unit, I'd be cordial and tell my Sergeant Major. They have a way with "correcting" junior officers that is second to none.
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