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I would so no, yes, kind of, maybe.....
In the sense you are still subject to recall, and you DID serve actively, then sure your still in.
In the sense you have any other military responsibility other then to remain alive and locatable, no.
In the sense you are still subject to recall, and you DID serve actively, then sure your still in.
In the sense you have any other military responsibility other then to remain alive and locatable, no.
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MSG Brad Sand
LCDR (Join to see) - and SGM Erik Marquez
I think you may be blurring the lines between the Retired Reserve and the Individual Ready Reserve? When we retire, we are all automatically placed/transferred into the Retired Reserves but Individual Ready Reserve is normally part of one's initially Military Service Obligation? Yes, there are some unique exceptions to this...normally in the medical fields...but the VAST majority of the IRR is first termers finishing out their eight year obligation. Of course Commissioned Officers can add an additional wrinkle to this be not resigning their commission and finding themselves in the IRR way beyond the 8 year IMSO. Additionally, so enlisted can extend or reenlist in the IRR...but this normally used facilitate transferring to a TPU.
Those groups can be called up in time of National emergency, and if one reads the order authorizing President G. W. Bush right after 11 Sept. 2001, he was authorized to call the entirety of both Reserves to active duty BUT I think for those of us retired, we are no longer eligible for recall at age 60?
I think you may be blurring the lines between the Retired Reserve and the Individual Ready Reserve? When we retire, we are all automatically placed/transferred into the Retired Reserves but Individual Ready Reserve is normally part of one's initially Military Service Obligation? Yes, there are some unique exceptions to this...normally in the medical fields...but the VAST majority of the IRR is first termers finishing out their eight year obligation. Of course Commissioned Officers can add an additional wrinkle to this be not resigning their commission and finding themselves in the IRR way beyond the 8 year IMSO. Additionally, so enlisted can extend or reenlist in the IRR...but this normally used facilitate transferring to a TPU.
Those groups can be called up in time of National emergency, and if one reads the order authorizing President G. W. Bush right after 11 Sept. 2001, he was authorized to call the entirety of both Reserves to active duty BUT I think for those of us retired, we are no longer eligible for recall at age 60?
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SGM Erik Marquez
MSG Brad Sand - I did combine both IRR and RR, and for sure more IRR has been recalled than RR (think Desert Shield, Desert Storm)
But the point it the same. in IRR the FORMER service member has ZERO militarily responsibilities until recalled , be that at their own request to deploy, drill, go to school, or DOD's request in time of national emergency man power needs.
That said:
"Minimum Annual Requirements. Each IRR Soldier is required to provide HRC with their current contact information (phone, address and email) and update it promptly when changes occur."
Thats It, thats all that is required of a SM in IRR ... UNLESS ordered to muster.
But the point it the same. in IRR the FORMER service member has ZERO militarily responsibilities until recalled , be that at their own request to deploy, drill, go to school, or DOD's request in time of national emergency man power needs.
That said:
"Minimum Annual Requirements. Each IRR Soldier is required to provide HRC with their current contact information (phone, address and email) and update it promptly when changes occur."
Thats It, thats all that is required of a SM in IRR ... UNLESS ordered to muster.
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MSG Brad Sand
SGM Erik Marquez -
Not disputing what you are saying but there are some rare IRR exceptions...almost all in the medial fields...where they will be actually 'serving', gaining retirement points and good years. We would commission doctors directly into the IRR that would serve their entire time in that status, except for periods where they would do Annual Training from this component.
Not disputing what you are saying but there are some rare IRR exceptions...almost all in the medial fields...where they will be actually 'serving', gaining retirement points and good years. We would commission doctors directly into the IRR that would serve their entire time in that status, except for periods where they would do Annual Training from this component.
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SGM Erik Marquez
MSG Brad Sand - Well said and thanks.. Im guilting of speaking from my experience, which is not inclusive or Guard or or Reserves
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For the vast majority probably not, it really depends on the individual. You can get promoted in the IRR, attend schools, annual training, short tours, etc., its really up to the individual on how active they want to be while in the IRR or if they are just "sitting" their until their time runs out. People often choose the IRR because you can manage your commitment to fit your schedule and aren't tied to a specific schedule as you would in a unit. I have seen officers go their because they were promoted and could not find a position in the new grade and shopped around until they found one or waited until another officers tenure was up and replaced them in the same unit.
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There is not a black and white answer to this. If all you are doing is sitting in the IRR waiting for your military service obligation to end, it kind of counts since it fulfills that. However, you still get 15 membership points and in the Army at least, you can request training and do other things to get a good year in the IRR. In 2012, I had an opportunity through my reserve unit to deploy to Afghanistan. However, they required me to transfer to the IRR so I would not count against them in their numbers while deployed. So I submitted the request and transferred to the IRR. I served over a year on active duty while assigned to the IRR control group. So for me, that time does count. However, in most cases, IRR time just rounds out your MSO and I would not brag about counting that time as service to any other Veteran.
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Inactive Ready RESERVE. They're reservists, and that time counts as federal service.
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Put it this way: if you get out at 4 years time in service and then you decide to go back in after you've been out for two years you will be paid st 6 years time in service. Only 4 years will count towards retirement.
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MAJ Bill Darling
Depends (1) what one means by "go back in" and (2) what one does while in the IRR. There are "good" years and then there's Active Federal Service. IRR members can either not earn a good year, earn a good year or potentially get a full year of AFS if one does an AD tour. It's been a while so I forget what counts and doesn't count for pay, but I'm pretty sure if an IRR guy stays on an AD tour those AFS years will count if he returns to active duty even. They may not be at a comparable time-in-grade, but their pay should reflect their actual active duty time, regardless of how it was achieved.
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Bill, have you explored the possibility of getting an extension beyond age 60 because of your skill identifier. I know MDs get extensions. Is it possible you can?
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I'm in the process of checking that out with HRC but haven't gotten a response yet. As you can imagine, we're talking a pretty big monthly difference in retirement between O-5 and and O-6 (currently at 6185 points and over 30 yrs.) Thanks. Just exploring all options and possibilities. I'm someone who doesn't take the first answer I get as the full truth----there are always exceptions. Either way----it's been a good run for me. Again, thanks.
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COL (Join to see) - Bill, I retired with 30 years of service-Mandatory Removal Date. I was only 52 at the time. At that time it was 30 years of service or age 60 whatever came first. It appears that is still the case from what you have stated. Your second question-"Does IRR time count as 'active reserve time'? It does not count as a good retirement year if you did not earn at least 50 retirement points during that year. I hope that answers your question. However, check with your career manager. I have been away from it for a long time and he/she will be able to give you latest and hopefully get you an extension. See if you can volunteer for something if you are able. Maybe one of the hospital ships (USNS Comfort. that provides medical aid to countries recovering from disasters, etc. Good luck.
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COL (Join to see)
COL (Join to see) - Thank you. Yes, I spoke with my career manager today and he's trying to find some answers. I think that unless I get an extension waiver, my retirement pay is O-5. Oh well, at least I get the satisfaction of making the grade.
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In Theory You would think so Cdr! I know that the 9 Yrs I served in the IRR "Feet Reserve" I was slightly concerned that they would Re-Call Me since they could at the Drop of a Hat but after Bupers sent me My Release from the Fleet Reserve in 2006 I was Good! Nothing Like a Letter from an Admiral saying "Your Free" to Improve Your Attitude!
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20 that is interesting, I transferred to the Fleet Reserves in 2006 so I should receive my release in 2026. Therefore, for those who are on the side the IRR counts as "Currently Serving" and thus SM after your name on RP are telling me that I am misrepresenting myself on this site and it should like I am an Active Duty LCDR. Maybe they should create anther Status call AD. The called up reservist could toggle their status when they transition onto and off of AD. I just think that if you have received a DD-214 and not currently serving you should be a V or R.
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Very much depends on what you are asking Sir. One can get a good year is the Reserves while in the IRR, and if you did get a 'good' year, that should count as serving but most normally would count currently serving as being in a TPU or on active duty.
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MSG Brad Sand - Agreed it does seem like things are different between the services and I thought it was 8 years but when I looked it up today the old interweb it told me 6 so I just thought I was mistaken. One thing that is the same with the Navy is that if you twice FOS you are out unless there are some other circumstances and they can continue you to retirement as an O-4. Luckily I was prior enlisted so that did not impact me.
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MAJ Bill Darling
LCDR (Join to see) - I apologize for my earlier, wordier answers, as I didn't fully understand the question. If things haven't changed too, too much since 2006, then the answer is, like many people already said: It depends. If the person is currently on active duty (which one can be in the IRR) then I think it's fine to have the SM designation. On the other hand, if one is just hanging out in the IRR, R for reservist is ok, but V for veteran might be more appropriate.
Personally I wish RP would differentiate between retirees and veterans. I got out 10 years ago, didn't retire, didn't go to the IRR, and it still has my old rank on here.
Personally I wish RP would differentiate between retirees and veterans. I got out 10 years ago, didn't retire, didn't go to the IRR, and it still has my old rank on here.
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MAJ Bill Darling - I think they do, I have an "R" after my name and you have a "V", funny thing we both left in 2006 as O-4s
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MAJ Bill Darling
LCDR (Join to see) - My bad. I never bothered to hover over the R and ASSumed it was Reservist. :) Either way, wish they'd take out the rank. I'm proud of my time but doesn't feel appropriate to have it listed before my name. Maybe they'll put it in parenthesis in the future.
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A good retirement year in a reserve component is one I which you attain at least 50 retirement points within the retirement year. Your retirement points accounting statement will detail this.
According to USC title 10 chapter 1223, section 12734
"§12734. Time not creditable toward years of service
(a) Service in an inactive status may not be counted in any computation of years of service under this chapter.
(b) Time spent after retirement (without pay) for failure to conform to standards and qualifications prescribed under section 12641 of this title may not be credited in a computation of years of service under this chapter."
In the Individual ready reserve (IRR) you are in an active status until you fail to achieve 50 retirement points in a retirement year. When you fail to achieve the 50 point threshold you are transferred to the inactive list.
The IRR will give you 15 membership points each retirement year automatically the same as the regular reserve or national guard will. You would have to complete training, drill, or correspondence that awards you retirement points in order to complete the 50 point requirement. Or transfer to a Troop Program Unit (TPU), in the Reserve or National guard, and complete the 50 points plus there. Any combination of active service that accumulates 50 retirement points or more within a retirement year will render a "good year" towards retirement and allow that IRR time, or years, that fall within those "good year(s)" to count.
You can find additional info in sections 12731-12741. The link is:
http://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title10/subtitleE/part2/chapter1223&edition=prelim
Hope this helps.
According to USC title 10 chapter 1223, section 12734
"§12734. Time not creditable toward years of service
(a) Service in an inactive status may not be counted in any computation of years of service under this chapter.
(b) Time spent after retirement (without pay) for failure to conform to standards and qualifications prescribed under section 12641 of this title may not be credited in a computation of years of service under this chapter."
In the Individual ready reserve (IRR) you are in an active status until you fail to achieve 50 retirement points in a retirement year. When you fail to achieve the 50 point threshold you are transferred to the inactive list.
The IRR will give you 15 membership points each retirement year automatically the same as the regular reserve or national guard will. You would have to complete training, drill, or correspondence that awards you retirement points in order to complete the 50 point requirement. Or transfer to a Troop Program Unit (TPU), in the Reserve or National guard, and complete the 50 points plus there. Any combination of active service that accumulates 50 retirement points or more within a retirement year will render a "good year" towards retirement and allow that IRR time, or years, that fall within those "good year(s)" to count.
You can find additional info in sections 12731-12741. The link is:
http://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title10/subtitleE/part2/chapter1223&edition=prelim
Hope this helps.
2009—Pub. L. 111–84, div. A, title VI, §643(e)(2), Oct. 28, 2009, 123 Stat. 2367, substituted "Retirement for service in an active status performed in the Selected Reserve of the Ready Reserve after eligibility for regular retirement" for "Retirement from active reserve service performed after regular retirement" in item 12741.
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