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Donald Trump's entire 2019 State of the Union address | Full speech on CNN
President Donald Trump appeared before a divided Congress for the first time to appeal to lawmakers' sense of unity at a moment of deepening partisan spite. ...
Post Update (20 Feb 2020): I have enjoyed reading everyone's comments!
FREE SPEECH is NOT Dead or at best NOT YET Illegal!!! Adults are responding in this post - EXCELLENT! Some are whining! ~2/3's overall per the poll still believe SOTH was disrespectful at some level.
POTUS did have a bit of a chip on his shoulder, for not shaking SOTH hand when extended.
Some seemed to forget former President Clinton's own avoidance of military service (aka deferments) as they excoriated Trump for his deferments - Humm?
The Congress & POTUS need to quit excessive Tweeting and GET TO WORK for "We the people...." Cut the BS!!!
All in All , instructive post! Of course some will defend POTUS regardless, others will defend SOTH regardless.
Some of the adults that responded slammed them both and provided balanced responses that took a deeper critical look! You know who you are! Thank you!
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Post Update (12 Feb 2020): Please see my response to SGM(P) (Join to see)'s wise words in this post! Some might just be - surprised!
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Original Post
Background: By now the world is a buzz with what took place at the end of the SOTU by POTUS and the "ripping" by the SOTH at the end of the speech.
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4FyVGtMa4s)
Discussion: While I can respect the opinion of Senator Joe Manchin of West Virginia to recommend centure (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPr2EodEAdU), I and many believe that the SOTH's behavior last night is worthy of the SOTH's own centure! The lack of leadership of the SOTH in the 'ripping up" of the SOTU address on live TV is shameful.
It makes NO different if you are RIGHT, CENTER or LEFT. The disrespect shown is not a sign of defiance of this POTUS or solidarity with her party. It is an open attack against "We the people....." As an Independent, I have not always agreed with POTUS on some issues, but that does not mean I will not show the Office of POTUS its proper due, regardless of who hold the office!
I have as does the SOTH the right to "respectfully disagree" as guaranteed under the 1st Amendment; however, as the SOTH the "ripping behavior" boarders on behaviors that reminds me of someone desiring to insight insurrection, but not be held accountable for the actions they transmit.
Recommendation: While the "majority members" of the House will not centure their own Speaker, perhaps the Senate might, in order to send a message to centure the SOTH for such a tantrum during the SOTU!
So my question is this:
Was the behavior of the SOTH a sign that the current SOTH as of Feb 2020 lacks both the maturity and leadership grit to behave in a manner worthy of that office as 3rd in line to be POTUS?
FREE SPEECH is NOT Dead or at best NOT YET Illegal!!! Adults are responding in this post - EXCELLENT! Some are whining! ~2/3's overall per the poll still believe SOTH was disrespectful at some level.
POTUS did have a bit of a chip on his shoulder, for not shaking SOTH hand when extended.
Some seemed to forget former President Clinton's own avoidance of military service (aka deferments) as they excoriated Trump for his deferments - Humm?
The Congress & POTUS need to quit excessive Tweeting and GET TO WORK for "We the people...." Cut the BS!!!
All in All , instructive post! Of course some will defend POTUS regardless, others will defend SOTH regardless.
Some of the adults that responded slammed them both and provided balanced responses that took a deeper critical look! You know who you are! Thank you!
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Post Update (12 Feb 2020): Please see my response to SGM(P) (Join to see)'s wise words in this post! Some might just be - surprised!
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Original Post
Background: By now the world is a buzz with what took place at the end of the SOTU by POTUS and the "ripping" by the SOTH at the end of the speech.
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4FyVGtMa4s)
Discussion: While I can respect the opinion of Senator Joe Manchin of West Virginia to recommend centure (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPr2EodEAdU), I and many believe that the SOTH's behavior last night is worthy of the SOTH's own centure! The lack of leadership of the SOTH in the 'ripping up" of the SOTU address on live TV is shameful.
It makes NO different if you are RIGHT, CENTER or LEFT. The disrespect shown is not a sign of defiance of this POTUS or solidarity with her party. It is an open attack against "We the people....." As an Independent, I have not always agreed with POTUS on some issues, but that does not mean I will not show the Office of POTUS its proper due, regardless of who hold the office!
I have as does the SOTH the right to "respectfully disagree" as guaranteed under the 1st Amendment; however, as the SOTH the "ripping behavior" boarders on behaviors that reminds me of someone desiring to insight insurrection, but not be held accountable for the actions they transmit.
Recommendation: While the "majority members" of the House will not centure their own Speaker, perhaps the Senate might, in order to send a message to centure the SOTH for such a tantrum during the SOTU!
So my question is this:
Was the behavior of the SOTH a sign that the current SOTH as of Feb 2020 lacks both the maturity and leadership grit to behave in a manner worthy of that office as 3rd in line to be POTUS?
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Bottom line to all Orange IMPOTUS' SHEEP. IMPOTUS will always have after his name.......Donald J Trump, Sr (R), (IMP).
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LTC Joe Anderson
Funny the Bottom line. It will always be as follows: President Donald J Trump Sr (R), (IMP), (ACQ).
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PFC Ray Aquila
ACQ does not apply. ACQ for all intense and purpose was merely to determine staying in office or not.
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LTC Joe Anderson
Per Webster's or ANY Dictionary for that matter.
Acquit - ac·quit /əˈkwit/ verb past tense: acquitted; past participle: acquitted
1. free (someone) from a criminal charge by a verdict of not guilty.
"she was acquitted on all counts"
Similar: absolve, clear, exonerate, exculpate, declare innocent, find innocent, pronounce not guilty, discharge, release, liberate, emancipate, free, set free, deliver, spare, exempt, dismiss, vindicate, let someone off (the hook)
Opposite: convict
2. conduct oneself or perform in a specified way.
"all the young women in the contest acquitted themselves well"
Similar: conduct oneself bear oneself perform act behave
Acquit - ac·quit /əˈkwit/ verb past tense: acquitted; past participle: acquitted
1. free (someone) from a criminal charge by a verdict of not guilty.
"she was acquitted on all counts"
Similar: absolve, clear, exonerate, exculpate, declare innocent, find innocent, pronounce not guilty, discharge, release, liberate, emancipate, free, set free, deliver, spare, exempt, dismiss, vindicate, let someone off (the hook)
Opposite: convict
2. conduct oneself or perform in a specified way.
"all the young women in the contest acquitted themselves well"
Similar: conduct oneself bear oneself perform act behave
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LTC Joe Anderson
Like it or not he was permanently Acquitted. Don't impeach if you can't handle the consequences of acquittal such as remaining in office.
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Let's see if I've got this right.
Trump disrespects Pelosi by not doing the traditional handshake.
Pelosi tears his speech in half after he lies about NOT cutting Social Security and Medicare, which he had already spelled out he would do in his budget, which he then signed into law a few days later with the biggest cuts in history.
Yep, OK. We need to censure Pelosi.
Trump disrespects Pelosi by not doing the traditional handshake.
Pelosi tears his speech in half after he lies about NOT cutting Social Security and Medicare, which he had already spelled out he would do in his budget, which he then signed into law a few days later with the biggest cuts in history.
Yep, OK. We need to censure Pelosi.
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PFC Ray Aquila
If they are lies why am I, including you, have almost 90% up votes. Anyone, past, present, future, military serviceman/women, Veterans supporting the LIAR N CHIEF will get what they deserve. Orange IMPOTUS lied countless times to military/veterans. Lied to the elderly. Lied to the disable. Lies, after miserable lies.
I don't need to be told about research. I am constantly researching. But, the Orange IMPOTUS' SHEEP ignore the truth. Their ignorance is twofold. If you don't like what I post. Just click delete.
Have a wonderful life.
I don't need to be told about research. I am constantly researching. But, the Orange IMPOTUS' SHEEP ignore the truth. Their ignorance is twofold. If you don't like what I post. Just click delete.
Have a wonderful life.
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1LT John Lisovitch
PO1 Kevin Dougherty - Here's some research re: proposed cuts to safety net programs, the NIH and CDC, as well as Medicare and Medicaid https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/10/business/president-trump-budget-cuts.html
Trump’s $4.8 Trillion Budget Would Cut Safety Net Programs and Boost Defense
The budget, while largely a messaging document, reflects the administration’s spending priorities’ stark contrast with the president’s Democratic rivals.
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PO1 Kevin Dougherty
1LT John Lisovitch - Nice strawman, but I'll give a short answer anyway. That one is behind a paywall, but I have taken a long, hard look at the budget. Most of the projected "cuts" are actually anticipated savings related to better enforcement of eligibility requirements, reduce waste, giving the states more discretion, etc. (As a professional in the field, I can tell you there is a ton of fraud and waste, most of which is never corrected.) If the article is like most I have seen, it implies that the budget will "slash" over a trillion dollars from aid programs, and the the military gets well over half the total budget. What they will neglect to mention is the fact that the trillion dollars is over 10 years, and that the programs in question are a part of the non-discretionary spending, which accounts for roughly 2/3rds of the Federal budget.
Do I agree with the budget 100%, no, but neither to I expect it to at all resemble what we have now by the time Congress gets done with it. But then again none of this has anything to do with the original post, does it?
Do I agree with the budget 100%, no, but neither to I expect it to at all resemble what we have now by the time Congress gets done with it. But then again none of this has anything to do with the original post, does it?
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In no way was TSOH disrespectful to ORANGE IMPOTUS. Seeing the responses is beyond a doubt pure idiocy. Did any of you turn coats see Orange IMPOTUS SHAKE THE HAND OF TSOH.......NO!!!!!!
THIS WAS MORE DISRESPECTFUL. A 5 time Draft Dodger and you people defend Mr Bone Spur. Mr Bone SPUR signed an executive order last Tuesday denying 200,000 jobs the Department of Veterans Affairs desperately is in need. This is an IMPOTUS stating in 2016. "VETERANS ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT TO OUR NATION." This is the same Orange IMPOTUS, presented a BUDGET to the Congress last week with sizable cuts to Veterans, Disable, Seniors, SSA, Medicare, Medicaid. ORANGE IMPOTUS is still referring to SSA, Medicare, Medicaid as entitlements. People......We worked for those benefits. And you people are worried about lies being torn. By the by CPO Nate S. It is CENSURE. Next time leave the "T" out.
THIS WAS MORE DISRESPECTFUL. A 5 time Draft Dodger and you people defend Mr Bone Spur. Mr Bone SPUR signed an executive order last Tuesday denying 200,000 jobs the Department of Veterans Affairs desperately is in need. This is an IMPOTUS stating in 2016. "VETERANS ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT TO OUR NATION." This is the same Orange IMPOTUS, presented a BUDGET to the Congress last week with sizable cuts to Veterans, Disable, Seniors, SSA, Medicare, Medicaid. ORANGE IMPOTUS is still referring to SSA, Medicare, Medicaid as entitlements. People......We worked for those benefits. And you people are worried about lies being torn. By the by CPO Nate S. It is CENSURE. Next time leave the "T" out.
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LTC Joe Anderson
Per Webster's or ANY Dictionary for that matter.
Acquit - ac·quit /əˈkwit/ verb past tense: acquitted; past participle: acquitted
1. free (someone) from a criminal charge by a verdict of not guilty.
"she was acquitted on all counts"
Similar: absolve, clear, exonerate, exculpate, declare innocent, find innocent, pronounce not guilty, discharge, release, liberate, emancipate, free, set free, deliver, spare, exempt, dismiss, vindicate, let someone off (the hook)
Opposite: convict
2. conduct oneself or perform in a specified way.
"all the young women in the contest acquitted themselves well"
Similar: conduct oneself bear oneself perform act behave
Acquit - ac·quit /əˈkwit/ verb past tense: acquitted; past participle: acquitted
1. free (someone) from a criminal charge by a verdict of not guilty.
"she was acquitted on all counts"
Similar: absolve, clear, exonerate, exculpate, declare innocent, find innocent, pronounce not guilty, discharge, release, liberate, emancipate, free, set free, deliver, spare, exempt, dismiss, vindicate, let someone off (the hook)
Opposite: convict
2. conduct oneself or perform in a specified way.
"all the young women in the contest acquitted themselves well"
Similar: conduct oneself bear oneself perform act behave
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Didn't they censure that South Carolina Republican Congressman for yelling "you lie" when Obama said "if you like your healthcare plan, you can keep it"? I think they did and, guess what, it actually was a lie. So, yes, she should be censured but, she won't be because the House is currently controlled by the democrats and, they refuse to hold their own accountable. They only want to get rid of the President because he's doing too good of a job.
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SFC Michael Peterson
PFC Ray Aquila, the house was controlled by the demonrats at the time. Otherwise, Obamacare would never have passed. Not a single republican voted for that travesty.
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SFC Michael Peterson
PFC Ray Aquila, I like the guy who isn't a socialist. I like the guy who isn't a former VP, who used his influence to get his coke-head son a job at a corrupt Ukrainian company and then, threatened to withhold $1 Billion in military aid. I like the guy who didn't lie about being a Native American to advance their education and career. I like the guy who doesn't want to abolish the Second Amendment, the Fourth Amendment, and ban the Big Gulp. So yeah, if you're still confused, I'll be voting for President Trump again.
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PVT William Smith
Wrong talking point. President Obama had just said 'the reforms I'm proposing will not apply to those who are here illegally'. Then Joe Wilson had a senior moment, miss-heard, or maybe performing for his people back in South Carolina. But on Sept 15, 2009 the House approved a 'Resolution of Disapproval'. Sounds like a little ol' pat on the hand. As it turned out, he was pelted with 'you lie' back home while speaking to one of his crowds. Just deserts, I would say.
But Palosi being left with her right hand extended and un-shook because of Trump displaying a juvenile snub. Some may believe that Trump needed more time than a second or three to recognize the hand pointed into his face was actually an invitation to commence the standard ritual of the State of the Union of shaking hands with the Speaker of the House, even if he didn't want to shake Pense's hand.
But Palosi being left with her right hand extended and un-shook because of Trump displaying a juvenile snub. Some may believe that Trump needed more time than a second or three to recognize the hand pointed into his face was actually an invitation to commence the standard ritual of the State of the Union of shaking hands with the Speaker of the House, even if he didn't want to shake Pense's hand.
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SFC Michael Peterson
PVT William Smith, so, maybe it was my senior moment. A lie about keeping your doctor or, a lie about Obamacare not applying to illegal aliens, what difference does it make? A lie is a lie. And, if someone was saying you're a liar and an all around piece of crap, on national TV, would you ceremoniously shake their hand? I certainly would not.
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PFC Ray Aquila
In no way was TSOH disrespectful to ORANGE IMPOTUS. Seeing the responses is beyond a doubt pure idiocy. Did any of you turn coats see Orange IMPOTUS SHAKE THE HAND OF TSOH.......NO!!!!!!
THIS WAS MORE DISRESPECTFUL. A 5 time Draft Dodger and you people defend Mr Bone Spur. Mr Bone SPUR signed an executive order last Tuesday denying 200,000 jobs the Department of Veterans Affairs desperately is in need. This is an IMPOTUS stating in 2016. "VETERANS ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT TO OUR NATION." This is the same Orange IMPOTUS, presented a BUDGET to the Congress last week with sizable cuts to Veterans, Disable, Seniors, SSA, Medicare, Medicaid. ORANGE IMPOTUS is still referring to SSA, Medicare, Medicaid as entitlements. People......We worked for those benefits. And you people are worried about lies being torn. By the by CPO Nate S. It is CENSURE. Next time leave the "T" out.
THIS WAS MORE DISRESPECTFUL. A 5 time Draft Dodger and you people defend Mr Bone Spur. Mr Bone SPUR signed an executive order last Tuesday denying 200,000 jobs the Department of Veterans Affairs desperately is in need. This is an IMPOTUS stating in 2016. "VETERANS ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT TO OUR NATION." This is the same Orange IMPOTUS, presented a BUDGET to the Congress last week with sizable cuts to Veterans, Disable, Seniors, SSA, Medicare, Medicaid. ORANGE IMPOTUS is still referring to SSA, Medicare, Medicaid as entitlements. People......We worked for those benefits. And you people are worried about lies being torn. By the by CPO Nate S. It is CENSURE. Next time leave the "T" out.
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SFC David Dean
Really. My question to you would be simple and straightforward. It is this; why did Pelosi choose to do what she did on the stage and in front of the cameras. She could of just as easily done it in private. No, she CHOSE to grandstand and it was done with the specific intention to demonstrate disrespect directed at the President. As I stated previously; childish and churlish temper tantrum that real adults would expect from a 4 year old and she then defends it by stating on camera "it was least offensive of acts I could do." Her words show just how correct the assessment of her dumb act really is. I will not address how incredibly stupid it is to demonstrate your child persona is for a person elected to serve the citizens of our country. She does have an inherent and actual implied duty and responsibility to be "representative" of the entire nation and not her particular political leanings, especially at this type of national event and audience. Your disagreement or lack of acknowledgement of her poor behavior does nothing to diminish her lack of deportment and inappropriate conduct. Whether or not she merits censure or not I would leave to her contemporaries discretion. Actually anyone with a conscious thought knows that since Democrats control the House that certainly would not be even a remote possibility.
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Pelosi committed a felony in front of millions of people.
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The question appearing in the text box doesn't make sense.
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Capt Walter Miller
PO2 Philip Mayfield - How soon we forget. You ought to watch the movie "Vice." Not only is Christian Bale spectacular as Cheney, it lays out all the lies of the Bushies lying us into war against our own best interests.
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Capt Walter Miller
Vice (2018) - An American Menu - Restaurant Scene [HD] | Spotlight
Dick Cheney (Christian Bale) and his cohorts are presented with a unique selection of menu items at a restaurant in this scene from Vice directed by Adam McK...
PO2 Philip Mayfield - It's a great movie and cleverly done. At one point they have Cheney and some others in a fancy restaurant reading torture techniques off a fancy menu. They all had a big laugh over it.
The way the Bush Administration treated detainees was guaranteed to cause attacks on, and get Americans killed. It's almost as if that was the point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNdsAgHJzEk
The way the Bush Administration treated detainees was guaranteed to cause attacks on, and get Americans killed. It's almost as if that was the point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNdsAgHJzEk
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PVT William Smith
Sounds like many of you are captives of Rupert Murdock and do not make sense. I have been following this site for a month +/-, I have a life, I am so sorry for the majority of you who have missed or lost the ability to tell truth from fiction. I am head shaking sad.
Well, I hope the best for you. May you eventually open your eyes.
Adios amigos.
Well, I hope the best for you. May you eventually open your eyes.
Adios amigos.
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PFC Ray Aquila
In no way was TSOH disrespectful to ORANGE IMPOTUS. Seeing the responses is beyond a doubt pure idiocy. Did any of you turn coats see Orange IMPOTUS SHAKE THE HAND OF TSOH.......NO!!!!!!
THIS WAS MORE DISRESPECTFUL. A 5 time Draft Dodger and you people defend Mr Bone Spur. Mr Bone SPUR signed an executive order last Tuesday denying 200,000 jobs the Department of Veterans Affairs desperately is in need. This is an IMPOTUS stating in 2016. "VETERANS ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT TO OUR NATION." This is the same Orange IMPOTUS, presented a BUDGET to the Congress last week with sizable cuts to Veterans, Disable, Seniors, SSA, Medicare, Medicaid. ORANGE IMPOTUS is still referring to SSA, Medicare, Medicaid as entitlements. People......We worked for those benefits. And you people are worried about lies being torn. By the by CPO Nate S. It is CENSURE. Next time leave the "T" out.
THIS WAS MORE DISRESPECTFUL. A 5 time Draft Dodger and you people defend Mr Bone Spur. Mr Bone SPUR signed an executive order last Tuesday denying 200,000 jobs the Department of Veterans Affairs desperately is in need. This is an IMPOTUS stating in 2016. "VETERANS ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT TO OUR NATION." This is the same Orange IMPOTUS, presented a BUDGET to the Congress last week with sizable cuts to Veterans, Disable, Seniors, SSA, Medicare, Medicaid. ORANGE IMPOTUS is still referring to SSA, Medicare, Medicaid as entitlements. People......We worked for those benefits. And you people are worried about lies being torn. By the by CPO Nate S. It is CENSURE. Next time leave the "T" out.
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CW4 Bernard B.
PFC Ray Aquila Check fire, Ray. You responded to me, and lumped my in with the “you people” you are railing against. I said no, she should not be (censured). Try responding to the OP.
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PFC Ray Aquila
No disrespect. This was sent to many and some got sent to those in support of Nancy. My bad!
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Clinton got legit deferments. Cadet Bone Spurs got daddy to pay off a doctor to say he had bone spurs to get him out of it. BIG HUGE difference.
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What makes me shudder and go "Ugggggh" is the thought that there is a Mr Pelosi someplace.
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