Posted on Jun 13, 2014
SSG Robert Burns
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CMSgt James Nolan
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Unable to fully express my feelings on this, as to some degree, our outspoken opinions must remain in the realm of PC. I will leave an ambiguous response of if we go back in, it should be the last time that help is needed.
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CMSgt James Nolan
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Sgt Welsh that is more PC than I was headed....and in the interest of not sounding like a loooooooonatic, I will watch Fox news and await further instructions.
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PO2 Edward Shelton
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We completed our mission there already, let that country and all of the other countries in that area deal with their own problems.
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CPT John Lynch
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If we had leadership that formulated and communicated an appropriate mission in the interests of the United State, we should definitely go back and accomplish the mission as its success is, indeed, critical to the future security of our Nation.

Given our current leadership, any return would be a waste of blood and treasure and would only succeed in further emboldening our enemies.
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SSG Robert Burns
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1SG Ehs Manager
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In my opinion we should stay out of this and let the people of Iraq deal with their own internal problems. Time for them to move forward not backward.
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
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Unfortunately, US government policy caused some of what is happening and 4477 souls (that I hope are haunting the Lincoln bedroom) are crying out for justice, but, as in the first place, WHY would be going back in? To save political face, to bring about democracy - which we damn well see has failed? What war is there for us to "win"? There is no yearning for democracy in this type of government. Very, very sad, but what US interests, other than maintaining FOB Crush-Iran would we be protecting??
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LTC Paul Labrador
LTC Paul Labrador
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Yes, the region powers SHOULD be able to hold their own, but you also hinted as to why they won't. The militants have a common agenda that transcends national borders. Howver, the governments in the region all have differing agendas. In other words, they lack cohesion while the militans have it in spades.
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LCpl Steve Wininger
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I do not think we should go back in to save political face, or for oil. I agree with you Major Petrarca, we have enough oil, lets quit selling it and take care of our own oil needs for once.

The reason I believe we should go back in is to prevent the terrorists from gaining a country of operations in the Middle East. I think we pulled out too soon to begin with. I think part of the problem the new Iraq government failed is because of the terrorists keeping the three main factions from uniting. Perhaps this would have never happened, but the fact Al-Qaeda moved in and stirred up dissent among them is a testimony they were making some measure of progress.

If Obama gets his way in Afghanistan, and he will most likely stay the course, terrorists will have two countries of operations in the region. I agree with you LTC Labrador. The domino theory you mentioned will become a reality, and the entire region could become destabilized.

As you mentioned LTC Labrador, the end game scenario is elusive. America cannot police the entire region, but if we can prevent the terrorists from taking over, maybe we can prevent all out war in the region.
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
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Excellent comments LCpl Wininger (owe you a thumb, I'm fresh out). With this new movement all of Iraq will become a terrorist state and Syria is well on its wayl. George Bush may have his "axis of evil" come to fruition after all. (the first time was a mere PR stunt)

My concern is if we escalate again and now, will hell and WW III follow? We're not talking 4400 dead we're talking geometric progression as things escalate.

My oldest son unfortunately will be medically exempt from military service but my youngest son & daughter will be at draft age in 7 years and will be watching this all unfold before them prior to that. Their generation is who I fear for now.
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LTC Paul Labrador
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In regards to oil, I take the long term approach. Stockpile our own and buy someone else's while they're still selling it. When they run out, I'll still have my own. That is the concept behind the Strategic Oil Reserve.
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COL Vincent Stoneking
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Our political leaders, whom we work for, decided that the war was over and redeployed us.

We did our duty. I don't wish to spoil a Friday that already has a 6 hour meeting with my thoughts on what our current or former political leaders did or failed to do. WE did our duty.

War's over.
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Should we go back? No sir. Should we have left when we did? I didn't think so then, and I certainly don't think so now. I would say "if" Baghdad falls, but it is more likely "when", the Iraq war at that point will have been a complete failure. I have said it before, I think that the KRG is positioning themselves to declare independence. Most recent evidence was the Kurdish troops that filled the vacuum in ethnically mixed Kirkuk as Iraqi Police and Army left their posts and ran.
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Maj Ahron Oddman
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We should not go back to Iraq in the traditional sense: boots on ground.  I'm not sure how to assess ISIS.  Are they better than Bashar Al Asad and/or Al Maliki? Do we want a non-Iran (Shiite) ally (ISIS is a Sunni Regime) on Iran's West Boarder? Some would argue we do.
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LTC Paul Labrador
LTC Paul Labrador
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But will that ISIS and Iran be willing to temporarily put aside their differences until they've dealt with the bigger Satan?
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Those countries have been fighting for thousands of years. IMHO nothing we do as a military force will make permanent changes. The parties involved are the ones who need to change and stop the fighting. Until that happens, they will always be in conflict. I think we need to stop policing the world and focus on conflicts that pose a direct threat to our national security and safety.
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Lt Col Allen Naugle
Lt Col Allen Naugle
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Spot on, Maj Whitehorn. I had a History professor at LSU back in '82 say much the same thing, only in much more colorful language that would likely get him fired today...
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Col Joel Anderson
Col Joel Anderson
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"Spare me the political events and power struggles, as the whole earth is my homeland and all men are my fellow countrymen." Khalil Gibran

The poll provides and interesting perspective and one that undoubtedly will elicit very specific viewpoints and much emotion. Pros and cons of any course of action will be debated and most likely the challenges and struggles will persist regardless of what our leadership decides. Following WW I and the apportionment of nation states, some surmised that the creation of the boundaries would only foment strife and discord in this region. It was there before and it has persisted since. Reading from the likes of T.E. Lawrence and Khalil Gibran amongst a myriad of other insightful accounts are somewhat helpful in understanding the dynamics past, present and future of this entire region.

History has a tendency to repeat itself and regardless of why we got in there in the first place, regardless of whether we did or did not succeed, regardless of what decisions are made in the near and long term; it mostly likely will continue to do so in this neck of the woods.

The reality is that consequences intended or unanticipated occur when one blindly turn ones back on something that undoubtedly influences all of us internationally in some form or fashion. Don’t get me wrong, I am not advocating for comprehensive military action and I really don’t want to take a “poll” to gauge whether or not we should do something. I also don’t want to get on a bully pulpit for peaceful coexistence, but a challenge is not to figure out how to perpetuate military engagement and involvement, rather to figure out how to end the madness collectively.

If that means pulling chocks and letting the locals figure it out, then fine—so be it. I just hope we don’t find ourselves in an OODA loop of decision making, tactical to strategic, that is merely oriented at saving face and positioning for political gain and is based on a poll regardless of how helpful gauging public opinion may be.
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"I just hope we don’t find ourselves in an OODA loop of decision making, tactical to strategic, that is merely oriented at saving face and positioning for political gain and is based on a poll regardless of how helpful gauging public opinion may be."

So right.
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Of course we will go back in if that is the decision those above us make.
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We have done enough. The Iraq army is not willing to stand their ground and fight, why should we lose any more lives or waste any more money on this. So far I see no threat to the American people outside the hurt pride and egos of the the politicians who kept us there "securing the region". We can't keep leading the way every time something is not going write in another country. Its a noble gesture to protect people from the bully but we are over engaged as it is and need to invest in our own country for a while.
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