Posted on Jul 24, 2015
The North Carolina National Guard approach. Would you rather have an MP instead of arming a recruiter as an option?
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The North Carolina took a different approach with the security of their recruiting stations. Instead of arming their recruiters they sent armed Military Police soldiers instead. I am not trying to be bias but I think this is the best means of securing a recruiting station. They are already trained in Law Enforcement Operations and escalation of force. They are the most qualified soldier that could accomplish this mission by far. Most of the recruiters that are serving in various offices may not be well trained in small arms. We found this out with the Navy Recruiter shooting him while handling his personal weapon.
Benefits of having an armed National Guard Soldier is that they can be sworn by the jurisdiction which they are in with a mutual aid agreement. It would give them additional abilities to deal with civilians. This could only happen with National Guard Troops. I don't believe that Federal Troops could do this due to their Federal status.
But at the location in the Cary Towne Mall there is also other military recruiting offices near by. Could this be a detail that the National Guard could pick up to provide security for these offices nation wide. I don't know if a National Guard that doesn't have MPs or a training area for them. In some states, like Vermont, you don't have much a military presence at all. But even there they have MPs. Would this be a good option and an addition mission for the Guard.
Benefits of having an armed National Guard Soldier is that they can be sworn by the jurisdiction which they are in with a mutual aid agreement. It would give them additional abilities to deal with civilians. This could only happen with National Guard Troops. I don't believe that Federal Troops could do this due to their Federal status.
But at the location in the Cary Towne Mall there is also other military recruiting offices near by. Could this be a detail that the National Guard could pick up to provide security for these offices nation wide. I don't know if a National Guard that doesn't have MPs or a training area for them. In some states, like Vermont, you don't have much a military presence at all. But even there they have MPs. Would this be a good option and an addition mission for the Guard.
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I think an MP at each location would be ideal. Recruiting centers should be treated as if they were a small military installation.
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I don't understand how anyone can think the MP idea is a bad idea. Are the duties associated with such a tasking not in the realm or "lane" of an MP? I'm sick to death of soldiers being told "you can't do your job". Who do you think did the jobs contractors do before the Army had contractors? That's right soldiers and we need to get back to that.
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What will happen like in Iraq is you will need to train other MOSs and units to become MPs to sustain that kind of mission. We had TC, FA, ADA, EN, IN, USMC and AF Security units under our command because all the MP units in the inventory had been deployed and re-deployed and their just weren't any more.
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Hey we are all soldiers. The infantry is pretty much like MPs. We patrol and detain people too. BAHAHAHAHA! I just can't keep a straight face saying that.
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
CPT (Join to see) Silly me I thought you guys only performed escort duty - as in escorting the enemy to the fiery gates of the nether regions!! LMAO!
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There would be Jurisdictional issues not to mention having to add additional personnel when they are trying to reduce forces. Have the recruiters complete a CCDW course and let them protect themselves.
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SSG John Bacon
And a Caveat to that would be to add some extra training to Recruiters school, like Basic Pistol marksmanship.
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Our recruiters should be able to work in a safe environment but at the same time potential recruits should be able to speak with a recruiter in a casual manner without the threat of injury.
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I think that this is a good idea in theory but not realistic given funding authority and fiscal issues.
Recruiters should be able to protect themselves with some additional training from their command to avoid a repeat of the sailor incident.
Recruiters should be able to protect themselves with some additional training from their command to avoid a repeat of the sailor incident.
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LT, this is a nice "either or" discussion, but it parallels a contemporary fascination with dichotomies.
It's a resource drain to do this, and though you make a good point it is going to have to be funded. It is a wonderful idea, and perhaps should be done in the days surrounding military related holidays and patriotic memorial days. The recruiters should still be armed. We are a profession of arms, yet neutered in our own country. While there won't likely be a Red Dawn scenario going on, it is still a group of people that have been trained to handle weapons, and 99% of recruiters have been deployed meaning the ROE has been ingrained in them. ROE for law enforcement is far more relaxed than our military ROE.
I would allow all of us to carry arms unless psychologically seen as unfit. If that would have been the case at Fort Hood that (insert explicative) would have been mowed down within seconds. Being in the profession of arms and not being armed has left us as targets. I'll go with Marcus Lutrell and say that we are a force that shall not yield out of fear, we will not take off our uniforms, and we should be armed. There is no time in history that we have had a more professional volunteer fighting force. While some privates use this as a jobs service and others use it as money for school, the vast majority do it for the honor of serving and out of a deep seated belief that they are earning their citizenship rather than taking it for granted like civilians. The pseudo criminal "join the army or go to jail" is no longer an option. It is harder to get in than to go to college. We are ready for reform and all soldiers and marines, perhaps even airmen and squids should be allowed to carry at will. If you want to force everyone to take a protocol class in order to be certified to carry just take out one of the weekly EO or SHARP trainings and it doesn't cost the military anything more.
It's a resource drain to do this, and though you make a good point it is going to have to be funded. It is a wonderful idea, and perhaps should be done in the days surrounding military related holidays and patriotic memorial days. The recruiters should still be armed. We are a profession of arms, yet neutered in our own country. While there won't likely be a Red Dawn scenario going on, it is still a group of people that have been trained to handle weapons, and 99% of recruiters have been deployed meaning the ROE has been ingrained in them. ROE for law enforcement is far more relaxed than our military ROE.
I would allow all of us to carry arms unless psychologically seen as unfit. If that would have been the case at Fort Hood that (insert explicative) would have been mowed down within seconds. Being in the profession of arms and not being armed has left us as targets. I'll go with Marcus Lutrell and say that we are a force that shall not yield out of fear, we will not take off our uniforms, and we should be armed. There is no time in history that we have had a more professional volunteer fighting force. While some privates use this as a jobs service and others use it as money for school, the vast majority do it for the honor of serving and out of a deep seated belief that they are earning their citizenship rather than taking it for granted like civilians. The pseudo criminal "join the army or go to jail" is no longer an option. It is harder to get in than to go to college. We are ready for reform and all soldiers and marines, perhaps even airmen and squids should be allowed to carry at will. If you want to force everyone to take a protocol class in order to be certified to carry just take out one of the weekly EO or SHARP trainings and it doesn't cost the military anything more.
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i agree. I think this may be a good solution for now. What the future brings is something that will have to figured out. But I am worried it will go as the speed of congress.
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This only works for the National Guard in a SAD capacity. Active Duty and REserve MPs could not do this
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Your exactly right. I would if they would incorporate the Guard into a solution to assist the fed. To be honest it is a bit sad we have to do this on our soil. There are a lot of legal issues that the Federal Soldiers are going to have. I hope this passes over in time. Maybe just give out state grants to law enforcement to assist with this.
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There are plenty of reserve security forces, provide them additional active duty and extra drills. they are trained and willing to support / protect the rest of our forces.
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Commander, the point of the entire issue this stems from is that NONE of us should ever be helpless to either aid or fight back.
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LCDR Rich Bishop
CPL Smith, I agree with you, however there would be a large expense to achieve what you are suggesting. All personnel would have to be trained and qualified handle, maintain and fire weapon(s). Then each individual would have to be issued a weapon. Retraining, requalification and maintaining these weapons, establishing new armory's / safes to secure these weapons. Marines are the only force that is a Marine first and always. The other services vast majority of their forces are professional staff and technical skills, i.e. safety, intelligence, planners, aircrew, truck operators, etc. the costs are unaffordable in a declining DOD budget. So, why don't we use the trained and armed forces we have ready and available? Remember, we can do whatever we are willing to pay for, however what do we want to cut? Airplane's, Tanks, Equipment, Ships, Personnel...
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