Posted on May 27, 2017
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SGM Mikel Dawson
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Many of us 11B have no CIB. You can make a success of any MOS you desire, but you have to know what you really want. I had two goals: Get a retirement, make SGM. I made both. I could have made CSM, but I didn't want it. What do you want? Then you have to focus to get it. The road is not easy and you will probably have to make many turns in your career - I did. You will not always get to do the things you want to do because there are goals you want much more. NCOERs, ratings, don't want for someone to do them, stay on top of your Chain of Command. Getting assignments, reach out and get them - sometimes they are not the most glamorous, but it is the experience you want. Do your promotion packets. Education will play a major factor. When it comes down to it, it is you who will hold yourself back or you who gets you moving.
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PFC Mobile Gun System (Mgs) Gunner
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True words of wisdom GSM thank you
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PFC Mobile Gun System (Mgs) Gunner
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True words of wisdom SGM thank you.
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SSG Assistant Station Commander
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SPC Eric Hurdle - Typically they will fill the role as an OPS SGM at either Battalion, Brigade, or Division levels. They're still a SGM (obviously), just not in a command position. Similar to a MSG and 1SG lateral promotion.
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SFC David Reid, M.S, PHR, SHRM-CP, DTM
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You should strive to do what others will not do! You want to 1st be highly competent in your MOS and then seek broadening assignment to provide you with a total understanding of how the military works from different perspectives and don't overlook getting the most of civilian education opportunities.
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CPT Senior Instructor
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No one joins the Army to be a general. You join the Army to serve and lead. If you do it well enough you will promote. As for being infantry. It is a field that produces many General officers. Just as a alibi I am an infantry officer with a CIB and Ranger tab. The reason why you see so many generals that are infantry is because the Army is based around the Infantry. We are the heart of the army and Generals will command large infantry units in combat. In the army all the major divisions in the Army are infantry such as the 82nd and the 101st. If you were to take a job like signal officer there are no divisions are major commands in deployable units. You would have cyber command but you will never see a signal General command maneuver units. The Army is just not set up that way.
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SSG Retired!!!
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Well said sir
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SPC Mel White
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I agree. However I prefer the short version, "no beans, no bullets, no Army. "
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CPT Senior Instructor
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SPC Eric Hurdle - I am a but confused on what you are trying to say.
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CPT William Jones
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one of the biggest reasons for more General officers from the infantry is that is the largest corps in the army the group that is biggest probably has the largest representation at the top also.
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SFC Assistant Operations Nco
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Do a job that you love to do. That's the best way to excel. Only you can determine what success means to you, and your idea of it will likely change over the course of your career.
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PV2 Athelete
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Thank you SSG, I didn't see it like that. I'm going to serve as a Paralegal with hopes of becoming a JAG officer after finishing my JD in school.
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Good luck!
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1SG Clifford Barnes
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Do your job and perform to the best of your ability.
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To really excel within the ranks of the Army, must I serve in the infantry? Do I need a CIB/EIB, like the Chief and SMA?
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Clearly not... SMA Raymond F. Chandler, SMA Kenneth O. Preston, SMA Jack L. Tilley, and SMA Robert E. Hall, the previous 4 SMAs, were non-infantry Soldiers.

That said, it makes sense you see a lot of leadership with CIB. EIB and/or Tabs because there are more leadership positions for those individuals. Most major and key positions in the Army are Combat/Maneuver commands, because the central role of the Army is Combat/Maneuver.

You can excel in the Army regardless of your role, but just as Rated members (Pilots) are central to the Air Force command structure as the Air Superiority branch, and Surface Warfare officers are central to the Navy as the Sea Power branch, Infantry and other Combat Arms leaders are central to the Army structure as the Ground Warfare dominance branch. It wouldn't make sense for most Navy leaders to be pilots, for most Air Force leaders to come from Security Forces, and it wouldn't make sense for most Army leadership to be drawn from non-maneuver branches.

It's not about fairness, it's about proper preparation for the job.
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2LT Infantry Officer
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Thank you Sir!
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MAJ Keira Brennan
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Great info 1SG! Damn... Fire for effect!!!!!
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2LT Infantry Officer
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Thank you Ma'am!!!
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2LT Infantry Officer
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And I just realized my inner NCO is showing... for Chief of Staff of the Army (CSA), CSA GEN Raymond T. Odierno, CSA GEN Martin E. Dempsey, and CSA GEN Peter J. Schoomaker, three of the last 5 CSA's, have been non-infantry branch officers.
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LTC Stephen Conway
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Pick combat arms if that is what you want to do. Originally, I went Military Police. I eventually transferred to Armor in the California Army National Guard. I went to the Armor Captain's Career Course. I later went to Civil Affairs in 2006. I have a diversified background. The LTC I just commented about did not diversify except being an OC-T. Nothing wrong with following your dreams. Just My Honest Opinion.
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MSG Dave Rossman
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No, just do your job, and take pride in a job well done, a combat patch applies to any MOS,,,
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SSG Robert Webster
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Check out GEN Ann Dunwoody (Quartermaster Corps).
She doesn't have a CAB either.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_E._Dunwoody
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LTC Stephen Conway
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It is interesting that you ask this. I just heard from an outgoing lieutenant colonel who was our Deputy Brigade commander and served well and received excellent officer evaluation reports but yet he did not make full bird colonel and he is retiring next month because he is hitting 28 years as an officer. He said he's always stuck to be an armor officer always combat arms and that was his biggest mistake. He said he only knows one combat arms officer who made it to one-star general. He is referring to our former Brigade Commander. He suggested that you diversify into other branches of the army to make yourself more marketable. Our audience in our training command is predominantly made up of senior captains, Majors and Lieutenant colonels. I'm sure many of you will disagree on this opinion of his. He didn't go into civil Affairs or psyops or Branch transfer into Logistics. Maybe this would have helped him go to get to Colonel. The Brigade Commander had some parting words of praise for him saying how the outgoing Deputy Commander was five steps ahead of him and already had taken care of his first five questions about the unit and the Brigade Commander was scratching his head saying he can't believe he did not make O- 6 and he will be missed
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SSG Robert Webster - He was a great leader. He was my division commander at Fort Stewart when I was in the 24th ID. You and I were in the RDF at the same time according to your profile. We probably did a lot of FTX with each other! I did not know he was a mustang!
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SSG Robert Webster
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SGT (Join to see) - Well, if you know Jim Kalser, you can't be too bad.
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SFC Mark Biggs
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I served in Regular Army Infantry battalions (1/22 and 1/6) where I served under 3 field grade officers (major and lieutenant colonel) who years later retired as 2-star, 3-star, and 4-star Generals. They all started at West Point, where they earned Bachelor's degrees. They were commissioned in the Infantry. They all were Airborne Ranger qualified. They all commanded Infantry platoons, companies, battalions, brigades, and divisions. They all served in combat and had the CIB. They all had earned at least 1 Master's degree during their service. So, you can see that a lot of hard work, hard training, and tough education is involved. Go become the very best you can be.
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LTC Stephen Conway
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SFC Mark Biggs - I think the reason my stellar Lieutenant Colonel didn't get picked is because he is in the Army Reserve and no combat aside from some attack Aviation. Thanks for your comments and you are right being in combat arms doesn't cause and impediment and usually means success.
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LTC Stephen Conway
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dazed and confused!
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MSG Dan Castaneda
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Ah man, that made me laugh.
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LTC Stephen Conway
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I would think of myself a lot cooler if I had his 1970 Chevelle Super Sport with an SS 454 in my garage. I don't give a crap about climate change I just want to run a 14 second quarter mile and Burn Rubber fishtailing. I don't give a crap about Green Party I don't give a crap about Governor Brown and his climate change agenda and I'm sure as hell not going to pay for his high speed Japanese style real that he wants California to pay for it.
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Epic lol
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CSM Charles Hayden
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To succeed what you could do is to break your butt doing your best, quietly do much more than is asked of you. Take it easy, do not always be the first to respond, save your strengths for when a problem arises! Maintain a superb appearance and conditioning; when a problem arises that you can solve/conquer- go DO IT! Keep your mouth closed - unless you are absolutely correct. Do not presume to advise those appointed over you! Save their ass from the fire if need be, and shaddup!
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SSG Robert Webster
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There are times when you are absolutely correct and still need to keep your mouth closed.
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CSM Charles Hayden
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No sxxt!
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