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Some people just shake their head when they see the news headlines, scroll past it, or lose their mind and share with the world. I would like to think deep down we all really do care about exposing phonies especially when they are wrongfully receiving benefits that the deserving need. There is a chain reaction that could be talked about forever on how the phonies hinder the process for veterans.
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I'm becoming more and more uncomfortable with this culture of SMs or Vets walking up to people and demanding proof of service. Lately there were two threads about 75 year old vets getting publicly humiliated by other vets. In one case the vet ( or maybe it was a soldier) wouldn't even believe the vets VA card, claiming anyone could print one out.

So that got me thinking how I would respond if someone saw me wearing either military related awards or badges on Veterans Day or say military badge related hats or Tshirts, and came up and started asking me questions. The truth is, in this day of identity theft and scams, I would probably politely tell that guy to f--k off. I sure as hell would never feel like I owe it to any stranger that walks up to me to produce my military ID card and DD214. Really, who the f--k do these people think they are?

This is the United States. I don't have to respond to "your papers please" from anybody, much less some soldier with a hair up his ass.

And as pissed as that would make me, I can't imagine how my dad would have responded when he was 75 if some twenty something "kid" walked up to him and basically demanded that he, a WWII and Korean War vet, prove to this stranger he is authorized to wear his CIB with star. Even at age 75, he would probably try and fight the guy.

So this whole blood sport of confronting and videoing and humiliating people just because they may be wearing a badge wrong has got to stop. It's unprofessional and unAmerican. As I said, I don't have to tell you where I went to basic, what Ranger School Class I was in, or anything else. It's none of your f--king business. You're a damn total stranger to me. Hell, I have no way of knowing if you are even a soldier yourself. So get out of my face and keep your vigilante bullshit away from me or my dad, or others like us. I'd rather a thousand clowns walk down the street in costume than one vet be humiliated by someone who probably hasn't served a fraction of the time the vet did.

There are laws about actually stealing goods or services by impersonating vets. Leave that to the stores. If they give military discounts to people without requiring appropriate ID cards or documentation, that's their mistake. IMO vets should stay in their lane and stop confronting people.
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SPC B. Neveryoumind
SPC B. Neveryoumind
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I didn't know this was happening. It's outrageous! I don't carry my DD-214 on me. I don't know anyone who does. This type of thing needs to stop!
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Sgt John Mizell
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I read where the Stolen Valor Org. claimed this Veteran who lived in the next town to me was so publicly humiliated, by them that he committed suicide, this Veteran claimed the silver star and several medals, the Stolen Valor people ran articles in the newspaper had it on tv that this Veteran was a fraud, a week after his death the newspaper ran an article stating what a hero this Veteran was, he saved his whole company, it turned out the Veteran was telling the truth all along, as far as I know the Stolen Valor Org, never once issued an apology, so this is one reason I have No respect for the Stolen Valor Org. or anyone that belongs to it.
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SPC Kenneth Hand
SPC Kenneth Hand
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SPC B. Neveryoumind - I got the laminated wallet sized DD-214, I carry it with me still!
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SSG Rod Corless
SSG Rod Corless
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We all should care, it's a basic principle. Those who do question one's integrity usually see a red flag, that's why they ask in the first place! Asking someone what their MOS was isn't inflammatory, and seeing where it goes from there.

I'll ask, they'll answer if they truly served. Gotta weed out the imposters. As if someone would challenge a 75 year old man, poor example.
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SFC (Join to see) It's not that I don't care, SFC. It's that I'd rather let 10 fake fuckers wear their fake rewards, than to (wrongly) accost one single vet that was legit.
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CPO Nate S.
CPO Nate S.
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SP5 Tom Haines - As an HM-8404 (Fleet Marine Corpsman) I love your question "Are you sure you are real Marines?" Perhaps, this happened because you were in Southern California, and they were "Hollywood Marines" from the set of a Paramount backlot movie set. Who knows?!?!?!?! If you ask a question, then you must also be prepared to answer that question. Seems logical to me.
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
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The Easiest Way To Find Fakes Is To Start Up A Conversation And Use All Of Our Short Cut Words Such as NCOIC, CO, First Shirt, Monkey Drills, Etc.. If They Ask What Those Are,,, YA GOTT'EM.... At The Middle School Where I Was Employed, There Was A Teacher Whom Was In The Navy, But He Stated He Was A NAVY SEAL...And Others Were In Doubt Also.. ...So In The Break Area Someone Started Talking About We Vets When I Turned To Him & Asked A Few Questions... Almost Immediately I Could See The Look On His Face Freeze.. At That Point, All I Said Was "I Hate To Interrupt You At This Time, But I Think You're Full Of Shit....
As Far As I Can Recall He Never Said Anything About Being a SEAL. But I AM Relative Convinced The Did Serve In The Navy... But A SEAL?.
Give Me a Fo-King Break.
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SSG Roy Kelly II
SSG Roy Kelly II
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Precisely, I got better things to do than to worry about who might be faking it. Most will trip themselves up
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SSG Mark Lawless
SSG Mark Lawless
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I wear a cap that has what I did and what rank I attained. While I always carry my military ID card with me I am going to show it to nobody and someone wanting me to proove I was in the Army does not constitute a reason for me to show it. If they want to dress up like a clown, which most possers do, I will just laugh i their faceand walk away.
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I care, but I care more about the Constitution than my own feelings. We can't say "we're a free country, but you can't say or wear those things because it offends me." I'm just not a fan making laws that ban citizens from wearing certain symbols when there are groups of people offended by those symbols. It sounds contrary to everything we serve for.

Now if people want to expose phonies, I'm all for it. Let them be judged by the public.

When it comes to fraud, there are plenty of existing fraud laws to cover those cases. Those who commit fraud should be prosecuted under fraud laws.
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MAJ Tracey Nash, CISSP, MS
MAJ Tracey Nash, CISSP, MS
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My dad went to Vietnam 2 times; he said that he felt unsafe wearing his uniform ANYWHERE, upon his return home. Back then (1972), the very last thing you might see is a guy impersonating is a military member. He left a warzone, and he really did want to wear his uniform, but he couldn't. This bothered me for years. I deployed to Iraq 3 times. After my last deployment, I made it a point to visit him in my uniform. This is a man who never shed a tear; he greeted me with tears in his eyes. He thanked me for wearing my uniform. He said that my wearing the uniform brought him back home too.

I do not think that people should impersonate anyone - ever; but I do take comfort in the fact that servicemembers are held such high regard that there are people who want to be held in the same regard - legal or illegally.
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SPC Ludwig Stines
SPC Ludwig Stines
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MAJ Tracey Nash, CISSP, MS - I understand---1972-1975 82nd Airborne Division- I did not have to go to Viet Nam but I felt it Stateside---I only came home once with my uniform on once, for my Mom. She was a teenager during WW2 in Germany just surviving, after the war she met my dad who was American with the Occupation. She was proud of me for being an American Soldier---Over the years I have spotted Stolen Valor just by talking to some.. and I have had some Vets question me...lol..i pass their test then we BS for awhile. Thanks for your service----
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MSG Thomas Currie
MSG Thomas Currie
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SGT Kathleen Regan - If you believe that "a genuine PH is engraved on the reverse side when it is awarded" you will be sadly disappointed if you ever receive one -- or any of the other awards that the AR says are supposed to be engraved. Having the medal engraved is a unit responsibility that most units have always completely ignored -- just like they have always ignored the fact that the UNIT (not the individual soldier) is supposed to have the unit patch sewn on a soldier's uniform upon arrival in a new unit.
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SPC Kenneth Hand
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MAJ Tracey Nash, CISSP, MS - You have to keep in mind that the Vietnam era was a different time. I was glad I had civvies with me after I got my discharge papers. The only thing that gave me away was the shorter hair. Believe me, the OTHER people were in the airport! For over 25 years I would not tell anyone I was a veteran, especially Vietnam! It was only after our patriotism started back after Iraq/Iran? that I would acknowledge openly I was a Vietnam vet. It has been a hard ladder to climb. I know what your dad feels.
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