Posted on Feb 10, 2016
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Just the other days I saw a PFC wearing Rocky C4T boots, I asked him if he knew they were unauthorized and he told me that he does but his NCO hasn't told him anything so, he keeps using them.

Why do we keep seeing SM wearing unauthorized boots?
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SGT Dave Tracy
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Edited 10 y ago
I have a pair of C4Ts, and love 'em, but with much sadness, I choose to lead by example and keep them at home. For me, the brand and model were highly recommended, so I bought them (if I remember right) from AAFES online, not knowing they were prohibited--or just prior to them being prohibited, can't say I remember--and it was some time before I or really anyone in my unit, learned they shouldn't be worn.
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SGT Dave Tracy I went to the MCSS last week and they changed the boots display, now it tells you if the boot is approved or not. Not the best prices but at least you are taking no chances.
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Can't go off the picture to reference unauthorized boots, instead do the boots on their feet meet the regulation?

All the ones pictured were quickly remodeled by the companies to meet regulation. So you really can't say at a glance. Gotta check if the boots meet regulation. If they don't then make a correction.
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SPC (Join to see) in this case it was the old C4T that we all know are not authorized, however, it wasn't an actual correction. I rather been corrected by a peer than get chewed by a Senior Leader, I really don't correct anybody like that. I don't walk around with the regs in my arm pit so, unless I'm 100% sure is not IAW reg, I don't say anything.
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SGT(P) (Join to see) no I totally what you were saying. I do the same when I see stuff like that, it's possible he had no idea and just bought em at the local cool guy gear store and I commend you for sacking up and not letting it pass unmentioned.

I was more referring to as a whole to the boot issue. I remember right after they dropped the in regs nikes I used to walk around with my receipt, specs of the boot, and the reg because of the amount of times NCOs would attempt to stop me about it.
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SPC (Join to see) there are Soldiers that rather look cool in Uniform than in Evaluations or monthly counselings. I stick to my afordable boots with my Commendable Inspections ;)
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I suspect it's for at least two reasons: (1), it may not be so much a "Don't Care" attitude as it is a "there are far more important issues to be dealt with every day," (2), and the boots shown above are so microscopically different from the regulation boots.
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SCPO (Join to see) I rather go with the second one, we can make honest mistakes when buying gear. Also, no-one goes around with the regs on hand to check how authorized or not are the boots he is buying.
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Maj John Bell
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Because leadership allows it. Hell, they are probably the worst offenders.
I've made this point on a number of occasions.
-Officers, SNCO's and NCO's make more money than the troops. They can afford better gear. Which removes them from understanding the issue gear related problems their troops face. Those leaders who don't comprehend that and all of the ramifications don't deserve to be troop leaders. ["Never ask your troops to do what you are not willing to do."]

On a more generous day I'd take the unit out on a 25 miler. 10 miles into it, I'd do a boot inspection. Those who were not wearing issue would be told they have a choice.
-Turn around, go back and put on your issue gear, hump back out here and then we'll continue.
-Take em off, along with any other non-issue gear and continue the rest of the force march bare foot.

On a less generous day, I'd run the leadership at office hours (art 15.)

I'm usually less than generous when it comes to leadership failing to deserve their position. But then I'm just a mean-spirited SOB.
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SPC John Decker
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One option missing. All of the above. Add another. They're probably available at the PX
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SPC Ted Ronayne
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That pair of OTBs looks similar to the pair of OTBs I have (junglelites)... The only issue I've found is that the soles are soft and wear down after a few months of continuous use, while my basic training boots still hold up strong as ever...

I would say most don't know about it... Boot culture is a thing for obvious reasons, though the regulations aren't well known (except for colors)

I would say in my experience, it's a case of you see them advertised for the military, for sale on post, or another SM wearing them, and you make an assumption
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SSG Dave Johnston
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Congress decreed decades ago that what would be issued and authorized for servicemembers had to be made in the USA, not: Usa, China/India/Bangladesh/Vietnam/Mexico/Peru/Chile/Paraguay/Adnausem,

[Here's your culprit: Berry Amendment, USC, Title 10, Section 2533a, originally passed in 1941 to require a buy-American policy for the military. The latest version, which took effect Nov. 16, 2006, prohibits the Department of Defense from buying items of clothing "unless they are wholly of U.S. origin."]

but… I got a mild case of frostbite or while on AD between '76 and 92 because the issued "leg-boots" and multiple pairs of "OD Green wool socks didn't stand up to guard duty in the cold and snow... and yet there were boots available that were designed to withstand the rigors of a North Dakota winter and 'looked" like an approved boot however......
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MSG Bo Mikel
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It seems that there is a day and night difference between the “garrison” era leaders and the “combat” era leaders in the responses to this post.... while “most” of the folks that served a garrison army with peace time and few deployments during their tenor in the army are saying “lack of leadership, nco’s are not doing their jobs”..... The “combat” era leaders that have deployed multiple times with their joes (and multiple times with different joes too) are the ones that know that there are more effective ways to spend your time than uniform inspections for unauthorised boots.... if joe is wearing boots that are comfortable for him and they allow him to complete his mission with out foot injuries (blisters, bleeding, or broken ankles) that is called a win! “Combat” leaders are more focused on training muscle memory tactical operations to make sure you bring them all home at the end of the NEXT deployment...The garrison “spit-shined” 9-5 soldier is long gone!
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1LT William Clardy
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There's more than comfort to consider with boots, MSG Bo Mikel. I'm not sure that boot manufacturers are any more concerned about the fire-resistance of their products than how puncture-resistant the soles are, just to consider a couple of categories of foot/ankle injuries which most civilians don't worry about but soldiers should.
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MSG Bo Mikel
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1LT William Clardy comfort on a 15-20 mile patrol in Kandahar province is higher on the list than you think.... I mean come on if you are humping on patrol, and an IED goes off, your feet are the least of your worries...
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1LT William Clardy
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Don't bet on how high I rate foot comfort, MSG Bo Mikel. You're talking to retired infantryman with who has had to hump his share of commo and mortar equipment -- also one who has admonished cadets about the importance of conducting foot inspections during foot-mobile operations.
That said, you don't buy your boots while on patrol, and being melt-resistant doesn't automatically make boots less comfortable or heavier -- but it does make a difference in terms of what happens to your ankles should you find yourself trying to escape from a burning vehicle. This side of WP, the only thing that burns nastier than polymers melted to your skin is flaming polymers melted to your skin. "Performance" underwear (including my own favorite UA boxers) present a similar (albeit more masculinely fearful) danger if your routine places you at risk of being in the middle of a fire.
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SGT Motor Transport Operator
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None of this addresses what is unauthorized about the boots
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SPC Donn Sinclair
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An interesting dilemma. When I was in 100 years ago, (seems like it sometimes), we had two choices. Issue, (we called them KP boots), or Corcoran jump boots, if you could afford them. Either required a high shine, the infamous "airborne cap" on Corcorans. This new generation of boots that are deemed unauthorized. I'd be curious as to why.
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