Posted on Oct 12, 2014
US Airways Refuses to take jacket of Army Ranger...big deal or so what?
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Did the flight attendant aboard US Airways commit such a huge offense by not hanging this Soldier's jacket? I think the smart thing for the stewardess to do would have been just to take the jacket and hang it up. At least she could have shown him that much respect. However, does it rise to such an offense that Judge Jeanine Pirro from Fox News says the airline should "lose the privilege of calling itself United States Air"? The airline did apologize after all and this is the mistake of an individual, not airline policy. So is this still a huge deal that the airline should pay for or just the act of a single employee?
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/10/11/us-airways-slammed-after-flight-attendant-refuses-hang-army-ranger-jacket/?intcmp=latestnews
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/10/11/us-airways-slammed-after-flight-attendant-refuses-hang-army-ranger-jacket/?intcmp=latestnews
Posted 11 y ago
Responses: 38
I would say two things;
First of all Fox News has nothing better to report about with everything else happening in the world seriously?
Secondly it seems like to me much was made of nothing. People allegedly offered to swap seats and he refused so he needs to stop whining. I can also say that while there are rules, flight attendants and airline staff usually will go out of their way to help a soldier, sailor, airman, or marine in uniform unless they are being a major pain in the ass which sounds like this guy was. A good number of the airline folks are veterans or families of military themselves.
First of all Fox News has nothing better to report about with everything else happening in the world seriously?
Secondly it seems like to me much was made of nothing. People allegedly offered to swap seats and he refused so he needs to stop whining. I can also say that while there are rules, flight attendants and airline staff usually will go out of their way to help a soldier, sailor, airman, or marine in uniform unless they are being a major pain in the ass which sounds like this guy was. A good number of the airline folks are veterans or families of military themselves.
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Sgt Packy Flickinger
German?!?! That's funny. So the only ones who have a grasp here are foreign. There's Altazeer America advertised also but I haven't seen a single story.
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PO1 Greg Mitchell
Greg, great name - I don't think the Sgt was attacking her abour her party affilitation, but it does provide background into how a person thinks or reacts to situations. For those out there that think you can be apolitical, it's impossible, politics is life in a Democratic Republic. Politics guides our every move on a daily basis from following or breaking laws, to what type of light bulbs we can use in our homes. With that being said, politics could have played a huge part the flight attendants reaction, if she is a far leaning left (Democrat, Progressive) then her belief could be driving how she responds to situations. When you state that Al Jazeera is your source of news, it's not hard to understand where someone falls in the political spectrum.
Politics is everything.
Politics is everything.
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COL Randall C.
SFC Michael Hasbun, I almost downvoted because you mischaracterized what occurred. The soldier NEVER expressed any sort of attitude along that lines. All he did was ask if she could hang up his jacket. The other passengers took offense at his being denied.
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SFC Michael Hasbun
I'm not referring to him, but the countless vets across the internet who have somehow managed to make this a personal affront to their collective honor. Selfless service apparently is french for "I deserve special treatment for the rest of my life".
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SFC Mark Merino
Our country violated the Vietnam veterans equivalent to the degree of rape. Decades later, they try to blow sunshine up our tuckas to show how much things have changed for the better. In a lot of ways, it is like violating the Vietnam veterans all over again. Can you imagine this story occuring during the Vietnam War? Me either. So why is it national news that has everyone pissing and moaning on both sides? Don't let these people manipulate you. Don't even dignify it as newsworthy. Would I like a Wall Street millionnaire to lay down over a mud puddle because I serve my country while he cashes in?..........That would be spiffy with me. But I joined the military many moons ago before it was considered "cool" to wear a uniform and was content being one of the nameless and faceless servants of the DOD. Media coverage (especially advertising) is cashing in on the suffering and selfless service of the military and EXPLOITING all of us. It raises money for them, it gets their name recognized, and some of us are starting to buy into the notion that we should be glamorized. Count me out. Camaraderie comes from doing the "impossible for the ungrateful" and being there for each other. If they are going to start handing out baseball cards with veterans pictures on them for the public to collect, I see us acting like we are better than each other instead of being part of the same family.
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From my understanding of the story the employee was following the company protocol, and she could not hang his jacket until she was sure there was plenty of room for the 1st class passengers stuff. I fly southwest because I hate the airplane class system, but I understand when you do it is under those rules.
I would say had this been completely opposite, the civilian on a military flight, and they asked the PFC who was in the passenger area if they could break the rules the PFC would be given an atta boy for his over zealousness. Rules are rules, and it would not sound like the most outlandish thing to see an article with the headline "Flight Attendant Fired for Hanging Soldiers Coat" because she had been warned about bending the rules twice previously with other passengers.
I voted asking why would you wear a service uniform, I don't even like that I have to wear pants on airplane why would you want to wear a suit.
I would say had this been completely opposite, the civilian on a military flight, and they asked the PFC who was in the passenger area if they could break the rules the PFC would be given an atta boy for his over zealousness. Rules are rules, and it would not sound like the most outlandish thing to see an article with the headline "Flight Attendant Fired for Hanging Soldiers Coat" because she had been warned about bending the rules twice previously with other passengers.
I voted asking why would you wear a service uniform, I don't even like that I have to wear pants on airplane why would you want to wear a suit.
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MAJ Ronnie Reams
Service uniform because I think you're not supposed to travel in fatigues, but I see a lot do. Don't know if it still in effect, but back in the day, if you wore your uniform and flew military standby, the airlines gave you a discount. I always wore Khakis/TWs, not greens though.
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Cpl Chris Rice
MAJ Ronnie Reams, I was mainly joking I am sure that he had a reason, or maybe he was showing off; it is his uniform and he earned it. Thank you for the info though, I didn't know about the discount in the past.
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I think this getting blown way out of proportion. So she said "no". I am sure there are thousands of other active duty military folks that fly in their uniforms. And I am fairly certain they find a way to stow, or secure, their jackets.
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Where is the relevance in the larger scope of world, or even local news. Come on, news outlets stop feeding drivel to the masses. Educate the public on the issues (FACTS) not conjecture, and what viewers can do to influence change both for and against. Our nation needs to have an educated, empowered, and involved citizenry.
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1SG Chris Brown
I agree and voted in the "who cares" portion on the question. This question was put out so I could gauge what others thought on issues being thrown about by the media. I'm kind of sick of the things the media decides for us should be important as military members and it seems from the responses, many others agree that this is a non-issue.
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Things like this happen every day. I really don't get why this guy is on the news. It sounds like it was handled well enough before the news started getting nosey.
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SSG (Join to see)
what I find troubling even more is that someone who is a DoD CAC holder and as an authenticated DoD Enterprise email user would access the global to find someone's name and post this 1SG's global email name in a public forum....
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SGT Steve Oakes
A very good friend of mine is a cousin to the 1Sgt. He is most certainly not an ass.Â
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SGT Michael Glenn
I dont see why he thinks he needs to be special and have his jacket hung up in a special place, if the airlines allow this to him then they will spend all their time hanging everyone's jackets.what would be next, tucking them in??? fetching a glass of warm milk??? bed time stories before takeoff??? get real!!! The man wears a ranger tab, suck it up !!!!
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SGT Jeremiah B.
He made a request, it was denied, he moved on with his life. The entire story comes from other passengers, not from him.
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At no point during my term of service did I feel that any special attention or treatment was due to me. Tragically our Vietnam Veteran brothers and sisters received the most dismal treatment and lack of respect from the public that at the time many felt forced to keep their service private. Today the military enjoys a high level of respect from most of the general public - even despite our own issues as we've returned from our tours of duty.
My fear is that we've grown a bit too accustomed to such a high level of gracious treatment that not only do we often take it for granted but we even have an expectation that we will receive special treatment.
This attendant was simply doing their job - likely the same way it's always been done - but this time somehow is different. Seems more like a witch hunt by the overzealous than a reasonable and justifiable complaint of misbehavior.
While I certainly would have appreciated my clothes being hung, had it not happened it never would have been mentioned thereafter, much less spur a public discussion about whether the airline or attendant was wrong.
My service to my country was my gift for which I expect nothing in return. It is my personal point of pride and (at least in my own mind) a badge of great honor. More importantly it was an opportunity to repay my debt to those who served before me and to those men and women whose sacrifice was greater than mine; those whose lives were taken from them and the families who were forever impacted by their loss and those who have come home with intense physical and/or emotional wounds and the families who have also been impacted by this.
As men and women of service I would think we have greater issues to worry about that petty instances like this and expectations of entitlement need to be reconsidered before we drive ourselves back into a public sentiment of indifference towards our sacrifice and the sacrifices our families have made in support of our service.
Ascend to Victory, all!
My fear is that we've grown a bit too accustomed to such a high level of gracious treatment that not only do we often take it for granted but we even have an expectation that we will receive special treatment.
This attendant was simply doing their job - likely the same way it's always been done - but this time somehow is different. Seems more like a witch hunt by the overzealous than a reasonable and justifiable complaint of misbehavior.
While I certainly would have appreciated my clothes being hung, had it not happened it never would have been mentioned thereafter, much less spur a public discussion about whether the airline or attendant was wrong.
My service to my country was my gift for which I expect nothing in return. It is my personal point of pride and (at least in my own mind) a badge of great honor. More importantly it was an opportunity to repay my debt to those who served before me and to those men and women whose sacrifice was greater than mine; those whose lives were taken from them and the families who were forever impacted by their loss and those who have come home with intense physical and/or emotional wounds and the families who have also been impacted by this.
As men and women of service I would think we have greater issues to worry about that petty instances like this and expectations of entitlement need to be reconsidered before we drive ourselves back into a public sentiment of indifference towards our sacrifice and the sacrifices our families have made in support of our service.
Ascend to Victory, all!
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I dont think that flight attendant did anything wrong but for all the Airlines being so "Supportive" of the military I think out of Respect she should have asked if he wanted to Hang his Jacket... But Being in the Military doesn't entitle us to having better service when knowingly we volunteered to join ..We are Offered the better service out of Respect and Courtesy of serving our Country .... Plus its FOX News they blow everything out of proportion.
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I doubt the flight attendant was attempting to offend. She probably following company protocol. If it is was the other passengers interfering with the issue than so be it. I did not realize this was a first class perk, I have had jackets and even uniform bags hung when I flew normal coach. I suppose as customer service answer to anyone not just military would have been to allow it to be hung if there was room for it. I doubt the captain of the plane would have an issue with it. Obviously if the hangars were full than it would have been a non issue.
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