Posted on Oct 11, 2015
Wasserman Schultz claimed that "380 Americans have been killed in 294 mass shootings in 2015 alone." But is that true?
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It's a word game.
It's how you define Mass Shootings.
A Mass Shooting is any time 4 or more people are shot in a single event. This includes Gang Related or Family Related events. Rampage Shootings (like the Oregon School shooting) are what most people think of when they say Mass Shooting.
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It's how you define Mass Shootings.
A Mass Shooting is any time 4 or more people are shot in a single event. This includes Gang Related or Family Related events. Rampage Shootings (like the Oregon School shooting) are what most people think of when they say Mass Shooting.
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Sgt Tom Cunnally
Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS - How does she get away with so many lies..??? She has been caught in tons of lies and then just blames the Republicans for attacking her...much the same playbook as the one Hillary uses Maybe they use the same one???
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Sgt Spencer Sikder
So Sgt Aaron Kennedy, is she minimizing the horrendous attacks at the schools when she correlates them along with gang violence?
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SCPO Carl Wayne Boss
SHE just lied SGT Cunnally... seriously!.... Ya think!
She gets away with it because most low information types get their information from where... other low information "intellectuals" on Facebook, Twitter or other non-sense manure spreading electronic equivalents of a bathroom stall wall!
She gets away with it because most low information types get their information from where... other low information "intellectuals" on Facebook, Twitter or other non-sense manure spreading electronic equivalents of a bathroom stall wall!
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
Sgt Spencer Sikder Great question.
The following is my analysis of "debate" or "narrative" tactics, and in no way my opinion of the issue itself (full PC caveat):
"Inflating" the numbers makes the Mass Shooting (et al) issue look bigger than it is, in the attempt to make it look more IMPORTANT than it is. The School Shootings (Rampage Shootings) are "statistically insignificant" and this is not to say unimportant, but so rare, and so wide spread in a population of 320M that we can't use that number to have a "meaningful conversation" aka Narrative. Narrative is just another way to say agenda to change policy.
Now Rampage Shootings fall under a couple VERY distinct categories. Usually Terrorism or Mental Health. We're already doing A LOT on Terrorism, so let's skip that for a moment. The other is Mental Health. Let's have a "meaningful conversation" regarding mental health. Rock on. EVERYONE, and I mean EVERYONE (including the NRA) wants to have that conversation. But that doesn't promote the "gun control" Endstate.
That end state is as follows. 100% Background checks on all transactions, even between "friends & family members." If you want to give your weapons to your wife, even for a hunting trip, that would require a check, involving the Government, or a Government sanctioned organization. National Database, or Registration of ALL firearms. Banning of specific classes of firearms. First it will be "assault weapons" aka "black guns" like the AR15, then it will be slowly expanded to anything that can take a high capacity magazine. Then it will be the manufacture of said weapons. Then there will be buy-backs. Then it will be criminalization for possession. Eventually it will just be an outright ban, under the gradual reinterpretation of the Constitution. This is not conjecture. This is watching how nearly every other government in the 20th century did it.
But I digress, but adding in all "Mass Shootings" (4+ people Shot, not killed) into the narrative, we massively inflate the number, and include Criminal Aspect, which has been on the decline for the last 30+ years. It's a problem that has actually "correcting itself" without any gun control. So these shootings don't need to be included.
Additionally, the vast majority of these shootings can be isolated in VERY specific locations of high population density (5k/sqmile) aka urban areas. Furthermore, if we look at the "major culprits" they are Chicago, LA, DC, and San Francisco/Oakland.... areas with strict gun control.
So, it's not that she is "minimizing" these tragedies. It's more that she is creating a disingenuous argument that must be countered, hence distracting from the horrendous events themselves.
The following is my analysis of "debate" or "narrative" tactics, and in no way my opinion of the issue itself (full PC caveat):
"Inflating" the numbers makes the Mass Shooting (et al) issue look bigger than it is, in the attempt to make it look more IMPORTANT than it is. The School Shootings (Rampage Shootings) are "statistically insignificant" and this is not to say unimportant, but so rare, and so wide spread in a population of 320M that we can't use that number to have a "meaningful conversation" aka Narrative. Narrative is just another way to say agenda to change policy.
Now Rampage Shootings fall under a couple VERY distinct categories. Usually Terrorism or Mental Health. We're already doing A LOT on Terrorism, so let's skip that for a moment. The other is Mental Health. Let's have a "meaningful conversation" regarding mental health. Rock on. EVERYONE, and I mean EVERYONE (including the NRA) wants to have that conversation. But that doesn't promote the "gun control" Endstate.
That end state is as follows. 100% Background checks on all transactions, even between "friends & family members." If you want to give your weapons to your wife, even for a hunting trip, that would require a check, involving the Government, or a Government sanctioned organization. National Database, or Registration of ALL firearms. Banning of specific classes of firearms. First it will be "assault weapons" aka "black guns" like the AR15, then it will be slowly expanded to anything that can take a high capacity magazine. Then it will be the manufacture of said weapons. Then there will be buy-backs. Then it will be criminalization for possession. Eventually it will just be an outright ban, under the gradual reinterpretation of the Constitution. This is not conjecture. This is watching how nearly every other government in the 20th century did it.
But I digress, but adding in all "Mass Shootings" (4+ people Shot, not killed) into the narrative, we massively inflate the number, and include Criminal Aspect, which has been on the decline for the last 30+ years. It's a problem that has actually "correcting itself" without any gun control. So these shootings don't need to be included.
Additionally, the vast majority of these shootings can be isolated in VERY specific locations of high population density (5k/sqmile) aka urban areas. Furthermore, if we look at the "major culprits" they are Chicago, LA, DC, and San Francisco/Oakland.... areas with strict gun control.
So, it's not that she is "minimizing" these tragedies. It's more that she is creating a disingenuous argument that must be countered, hence distracting from the horrendous events themselves.
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She is the face of the democrat party and yet, they still support that party. Considering she thinks republicans want to kick women out of the country, it's amazing she still has those that believe her every word.
http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/11/dnc-chair-republicans-are-saying-yeah-lets-kick-women-out-of-this-country-video/
http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/11/dnc-chair-republicans-are-saying-yeah-lets-kick-women-out-of-this-country-video/
DNC Chair: Republicans Are Saying ‘Yeah, Let’s Kick Women … Out Of This Country’ [VIDEO]
Democratic National Committee chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz told CNN's Dana Bash Sunday that all of the remaining Republican presidential candidates are trying to
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SCPO Carl Wayne Boss
I'd vote to kick her out of the Country... what say we gift wrap her and give her to Putin?!
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Let us assume this is true (it is not). The problem is that we as a nation are not actually addressing the problem with our easy solutions. The easy solutions are to reduce the number of guns on the streets, yet the statistics show that historically we have undergone similar spikes in mass shootings even after increased legislature limiting gun ownership. The only consistent conclusions we can draw are the following:
- As the population goes up, so does violence against larger populations
- As the economy gets worse, so does violence against larger populations
- As access to information grows, so does statistical reporting of information
* As the number of weapons on the street decreases, the number of shootings still grows!
Note that last statistic. Granted, one could easily argue that we could ban *all* weapons and we would drive the number of mass shootings to zero, and it may be true. However, as is the case in nations with zero gun freedoms, the population finds a way to be violent and kill people, albeit in smaller numbers per incident, yet the spikes in violence follow similar trend. It is human nature to kill one another, especially as resources become more and more scarce (temporarily or permanently).
On the topic of statistics, we can have some fun with stats. The spikes in violence are inversely proportional to the average math scores on SAT tests. Mass shootings spike in years and locations with higher average temperatures and less rain. Perhaps we should mandate more math classes, ban warm weather, and mandate rain.
- As the population goes up, so does violence against larger populations
- As the economy gets worse, so does violence against larger populations
- As access to information grows, so does statistical reporting of information
* As the number of weapons on the street decreases, the number of shootings still grows!
Note that last statistic. Granted, one could easily argue that we could ban *all* weapons and we would drive the number of mass shootings to zero, and it may be true. However, as is the case in nations with zero gun freedoms, the population finds a way to be violent and kill people, albeit in smaller numbers per incident, yet the spikes in violence follow similar trend. It is human nature to kill one another, especially as resources become more and more scarce (temporarily or permanently).
On the topic of statistics, we can have some fun with stats. The spikes in violence are inversely proportional to the average math scores on SAT tests. Mass shootings spike in years and locations with higher average temperatures and less rain. Perhaps we should mandate more math classes, ban warm weather, and mandate rain.
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See, that's a perfect example of people concentrating on correlation and not causation. Economists have trouble getting it right. You think politicians can interpret those statistics? No, they just read them in ways that serve their agenda and that's not very hard to do. Children can do that...
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Sgt Tom Cunnally
Yes Sir but my point is how can DWS be allowed to continually lie so much and not be challenged by the Liberal or Mainstream Media...?? And I thought I would start a discussion today that was controversial and not boring while we watch the NFL games..
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SCPO Carl Wayne Boss
Lying is what DWS, leftist liberals and for the most part a good portion of the so called Mainstream Media do... or at the very least bend and twist the truth out of all recognition... we all know that and should pay them little or no heed!
If it were true there is actually a correlation between mass shootings due to rises in temperature and less rain... then why are not Arizona because of our high temperatures and California because of it's wide spread drought... blood bathes pray tell?
Me thinks your premise may need a little more tweaking...
If it were true there is actually a correlation between mass shootings due to rises in temperature and less rain... then why are not Arizona because of our high temperatures and California because of it's wide spread drought... blood bathes pray tell?
Me thinks your premise may need a little more tweaking...
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Maj Walter Kilar
Sgt Tom Cunnally - DWS will not consider it lying as long as there is always a competing source of statistics. Whom are we to believe? Most of us on RP are going to gravitate towards certain media sources, but we are the 1%. Within the 1% that think like us, about half of us vote the other way.
We have to "let them lie without challenging by the media" because they tend to follow the same sources. It is up to other media sources to solidify their bias, and it is up to the people to choose which version of the truth to believe.
We have to "let them lie without challenging by the media" because they tend to follow the same sources. It is up to other media sources to solidify their bias, and it is up to the people to choose which version of the truth to believe.
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