Posted on Feb 18, 2014
GySgt (Other / Not listed)
26.9K
321
83
8
8
0
Img 4091 copy
What is going on lately?  First an Airman defacing the POW/MIA flag now we have Soldiers thinking it's a joke when our men die.

This Soldier posts a couple pics on her Instagram account saying "It's so damn cold out... WHY have a funeral outside !? Somebody's getting a jacked up flag" and "We put the FUN in funeral"

Bad behavior is always going to exist, I think we see more and more of this because of how we are connected to everybody through avenues like social media.  The last couple major Marine Corps mistakes were because bad actions being posted on youtube to bring them to light... pissing on the enemy and throwing puppies off a cliff.  When are we going to learn?




Posted in these groups: Funeral honors1 FuneralFun FunZgvwznrr9psdw5lzq6y7ihp6r9qhpdfhlbomkkkntap1slsxqwsblel onis9qdww00l q s85 DisrespectRespect  logo Respect
Edited 12 y ago
Avatar feed
Responses: 40
CPT Mike M.
5
5
0
These folks need to be chaptered for being a disgrace to their country, the US Army (I don't care if they are reserve or national guard) and their unit.
(5)
Comment
(0)
CH (CPT) Heather Davis
CH (CPT) Heather Davis
12 y

CPT Miller:


Respectfully, I concur as an Army Chaplain this breaks my heart. I see this as a wake-up call to mentor, develop, and teach military protocol.


I came in 1984 and my generation had garrison time. When you look at the incident with the POW MIA flag, this is clear writing on the wall that many are in for a paycheck.

(2)
Reply
(0)
CPT Company Commander
CPT (Join to see)
12 y
Mike, I'm at The Old Guard.  You know how I feel about this.  
(0)
Reply
(0)
Avatar small
SPC Infantryman
4
4
0
Destroy every one of them! I loved funeral detail, it was a honor.
(4)
Comment
(0)
Avatar small
1px xxx
Suspended Profile
This is irritates the hell out of me!  Is this what we represent?  Is this what represents us?  What's sad about the entire thing is the fact there is an NCO who should damn well know better and could have put a stop to it.  This is not what the Army is about.  This is not what the military is about.  I know I've only been in nine years but when I enlisted, we were taught to live the Army Values.  There's nothing remotely close to Loyalty, Duty, Respect, Selfless Service, Honor, Integrity or Personal Courage emanating from this disgusting portrayal of our branch of service or any other.  This is the reason why we face so much adversity directed at the military.  The Army is currently downsizing, I say start with this lot.  There....I said it!  Honest opinion
SSgt Forensic Meteorological Consultant
4
4
0

Are we living in a unique time of decadence where our children reflect the behavior of their peers?    I know that in every generation we have had this discussion but we did not have PCs,  laptops and Androids.


We  'like' miscreant behavior on social sites and we do not know where to draw the line and so,  this can only get worse.   This is kind of like a site where college students are having sex while totally blitzed.    All these poor decisions and thinking 'authority' is always wrong.


These same people become our leaders with the consequences being fuzzy-thinking supervisors and a sense of amorality that is not conducive to good order.  


We hear complaints about toxic leaders but I wonder,   is this really just whining over our own decisions.   Take the hubris over the SSG's hairstyle.   The back and forth was sufficient to establish what leadership is and how seemingly unimportant acts can affect our youth. 


I think she learned something and I have no issue with her if she does follow through because her subordinates will see her actions and act accordingly,  even if she has to compromise.   This is maintaining good order.


This discussion was a good one because this is what we can bring to the table and hopefully get the wayward youth on board.   This does not imply that all our young act this way but the social sites seem to foster this kind of reckless behavior.


(4)
Comment
(0)
MSG Healthcare Specialist (Combat Medic)
MSG (Join to see)
12 y
I like your line of thinking.

Its a "be more tolerant" society.  When kids act out today, we are to positively reinforce good behavior rather than discipline bad. 

My daughter comes home (5th grade) with stories about kids talking graphically about sex , talking about drug use, swearing and disrespecting their teachers.

I will bring up my kids the way I was brought up. Hard.  If a teacher ever told me my daughter was engaging in any of this, she wouldn't be able to stand for a week. 

At this point I have no worries, as she has gotten a "citizenship" award every year since 1st grade.

Apparently the offending kids parents are informed, but do nothing about it.

It takes a village to raise a child, but our villages are jacked up.  We are really losing our way as a society.
(6)
Reply
(0)
SSgt Forensic Meteorological Consultant
SSgt (Join to see)
12 y

MSG Kevin G-   I agree and it seems that social engineers are doing what Dr Spock suggested so long ago.   The decay of self-restraint is realized and being systematically phased out.   I feel sorry for teachers for what they have to endure.   



(2)
Reply
(0)
SSG General Services Technician And State Vehicle Inspector
SSG (Join to see)
12 y
MSG, it's not just a "be more tolerant" society but more so a lack of responsibility and accountability. Too many are unwiling to acknowledge standards...undeniable hard lines that must NOT be crossed regardless of how we may personally feel. As long as we have a society that doesn't stand up for each other, that say "NO" when it comes to legislated garbage, then we WILL continue to have stuff like this come out.
(2)
Reply
(0)
Avatar small
SSG Cryptologic Linguist
4
4
0
Embarrassing. I know I did stupid things when I was was a Joe, but I never did anything nearly as disrespectful. Why would she post something like this? How could she not know everyone would find out? I just don't understand how these soldiers think doing something this stupid was a good decision.
(4)
Comment
(0)
Avatar small
CMDCM Gene Treants
3
3
0
Edited 12 y ago
I was in Milwaukee for my Uncle's Funeral on January 6th, 2014.  If you missed it, it was really cold there, so cold that flights out of O'hard were canceled because fuel was frozen in trucks.  Yet my Uncle, who served in the Navy during WWII had a Navy Honor Guard and VFW Rifle Squad to render Honors.  None of these members were bitching about the cold and all were vocal in their thanks for being allowed to participate in the service.  They were not there to have fun or complain, but to perform a service, a last service for a fellow servicemember.  My thanks to these professionals and to all who do their jobs so well day after day and do not dishonor themselves or their uniforms.
(3)
Comment
(0)
CMC Robert Young
CMC Robert Young
12 y
Master Chief, that offers some perspective about how professionals handle their duties as opposed to this bunch of knuckleheads.
(1)
Reply
(0)
CMDCM Gene Treants
CMDCM Gene Treants
12 y
Master Chief Young, I was appalled by the actions of the "Honor Guard" members referred to on this page.  Wisconsin is my home State and most of the people there are proud to be Americans and truly honor those who serve our country.

This group are aberrations, the young woman from the Wisconsin National Guard, and her fellow travelers from all over the country. However, I choose to look at the positive and know that they will get what is truly coming to them from their respective commands.
(0)
Reply
(0)
Avatar small
SSG Ait Instructor
3
3
0
WTF is going on in our military lately. I can't believe how disrespectful service members have become. where is the NCO to put boot to ass or is he joining in in this shit. NCO's you are not friends with soldiers you set the example and this is not it. I'm very ashamed of this and deeply sorry to the fallen brother and his family for the actions of these private fuzzy wannabes. Phrase of the day, NCO's Boot to ass we haved failed.
(3)
Comment
(0)
Avatar small
SSG C Ied & Irw Instructor
2
2
0

I saw this photo when it first hit the networks, her instagram and facebook were both still active.  I screen shotted the pictures, and wrote the National Guard Public Affairs Office.  This was their response:

 



Good afternoon SSG Barin,



 



As you are aware by now this incident has made it to the
main stream news. The leadership is on top off this now. 



 



/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////



 



Chief, National Guard Bureau, General Frank Grass
released the following statement:



 



"I directed the Acting Director of the Army National
Guard to investigate a disgraceful incident involving Soldiers making light of
their training to support military funerals. 
The incident involves an unacceptable photo of Soldiers with a flag
draped training casket taken in a training facility.  This image is in very poor taste and clearly
does not represent the values of the National Guard.  I am confident the Army National Guard will
quickly resolve this matter and take swift and appropriate action.  Funeral duties are sacred and America's
fallen deserve nothing less than our deepest respect." 



             -GEN
Grass



 



 



 



 



 



Also, The Adjutant General of Wisconsin, Maj Gen. Donald
Dunbar also released the following statement:



 



 



"To all veterans, current serving military members,
family members, those who have lost loved ones in service to our nation, and in
particular our Gold Star families:



 



The recently revealed inappropriate photos and commentary
posted to a social media site by a Soldier under my command are unacceptable. I
am taking this matter very seriously. Upon learning of this incident, I ordered
an investigation and we will wait until that is concluded to evaluate
appropriate action.



 



Military funeral honors are a sacred trust, and that is
why this issue has generated such a public outcry. The general public is
understandably upset, and I understand the anger and response that it has
caused. For those of us who wear or have worn the cloth of our nation’s
uniform, this story cuts like a knife. I fully understand why so many veterans
have expressed outrage. Lastly, I am acutely aware of the pain that this story
must have caused for our Gold Star family members.



 



I deeply regret the pain this has caused, and personally
apologize to the entire military family."



 



Donald P. Dunbar



 



Maj Gen, Wisconsin National Guard



 



The Adjutant General



 



/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////



 



 



We absolutely share your concern. There is no doubt that
the Soldiers involved will be disciplined.



 



 



Very Respectfully,



 



Army National Guard



---------------------------------------------------------------------

 

Never should our Brothers and Sisters in Arms...past or present, have to be subject in their final moments of honor to a group of undisciplined, disrespectful, wanna-be Soldiers.  The last time I was this angry, was when those Airmen in 2011 posed in/around a metal casket.

 

MSG Cunningham has it exactly right, it stems from poor parenting and a touchy feely Basic Training.  I think with current events the Military would be smart to reapproach how Basic Training is conducted.

(2)
Comment
(0)
Avatar small
SGT Honor Guardsman
2
2
0
Edited 12 y ago
As a member of the NY Honor Guard I am deeply offended by the post the soldier made about presenting a "jacked-up flag" because its "so damned cold out", especially since she appears to have had the privilege of attending PEC where she learned to be a trainer of future honor guardsmen.

A question though, Where was the Small Group Leader (SGL) that would have been in charge of these soldiers?
(2)
Comment
(0)
Avatar small
MSG Military Science Instructor
2
2
0
This was schocking news for me today.  Soldiers today have no respect because they do not fear the consequences associated with their actions.  Now in days if we discipline a soldier with anything other than a counseling form there is some sort of rule we (the leaders) are breaking, according to JAG.  We need to be able to have a more hands on approach to correcting substandard behaviors instead of waiting on a paper trail to catch up to the individual and then possibly chaptering them out of the service.   This process takes too long and the soldier does not feel the consequences right away. 
(2)
Comment
(0)
Avatar small

Join nearly 2 million former and current members of the US military, just like you.

close