Posted on Mar 27, 2015
Wearing Unauthorized Patches/Flags while deployed?
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On deployments you may see some uniform variations that would not be seen while stateside. One of them is the wearing of patches. Do you or have you seen this while you were deployed. If you were working with another nation's military would you wear their flag on your uniform as a sign of partnership? Can this get carried away or is it a means to show some motivational patch? Should be strictly adhere to our regulation even while deployed?
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If going beyond the wire with a partner force and as long as it's in good taste, more power to ya. I think day-to-day on FOB, conventional units should wear the proper uniform.
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Only un-auth patches I had went on g.I. Vest after I retired.. only the Vets whose company I was in knew the translation.. maybe a few civilians that were of Vietnam descent ..
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Who says the are unauthorized?? When assigned o a Multinational Forces and Observers rotation (6mo)- we were required to wear the MFO beret with that crest- not our Airborne Maroon one. It was required by the treaty and backed by the State Dept- that out trumped anything from DA. Bottom line there young LT- you will wear what you are ordered to wear and let higher sort it out if there is a problem.
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First, I will take the compliment but I am not all that young. I am 36. I just age really well. But the question was more in relation motivation patches or other patches that were not authorized. When I was deployed as a PL I saw another platoon where a bunch of random patches while out. I didn't let my platoon wear them. I didn't believe it was professional.
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SGM Bill Frazer
1. Hooah. 2. I only saw unit type patches in the photo, so that's what I answered by 3. Agree Motional patches are great on you biker vest- civie coat, but not on your battle rattle.
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I can't recall any soldiers on my deployment wearing non US flags. 2 or 3 wanted to wear a patch on the opposite shoulder of a US flag crossed with an Afghan flag. But that was squashed very quickly.
As far as moto patches, nearly all our platoons had them. And even some squads. My squad wore tabs that said "BN FUCKED US" inside a shoulder flap. Story behind that was my squad worked more closely with our BN stationed at another base than with Company elements. They routinely flat out ignored intel or asset requests from my section. So that tab was born from frustration of dealing with a higher command. I also had a Punisher skull added to one of my ISAF patches as homage to a 2006 deployment my unit did before I joined.
As far as moto patches, nearly all our platoons had them. And even some squads. My squad wore tabs that said "BN FUCKED US" inside a shoulder flap. Story behind that was my squad worked more closely with our BN stationed at another base than with Company elements. They routinely flat out ignored intel or asset requests from my section. So that tab was born from frustration of dealing with a higher command. I also had a Punisher skull added to one of my ISAF patches as homage to a 2006 deployment my unit did before I joined.
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That would depend on the higher ups, I don't think so, unless you are deployed as a UN soldier, then you would display the UN Flag.
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I don't think negative patches toward a host country does anybody any favor(s)
If a troop who's later a Vet chooses or as chosen to display such a patch will just have to deal with negative feelings toward them should they be confronted.
If a troop who's later a Vet chooses or as chosen to display such a patch will just have to deal with negative feelings toward them should they be confronted.
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It is a moral booster and builds camaraderie amongst the platoon/troop/squadron.
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I am just leaving security cooperation position at U.S. Army Pacific and the exchange/wear of another nations patch/flag truly helps to build rapport and advance personal relationships that ultimately build the foundation for partnership and capacity building.
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I think it can help. I am working with another nations military. I don't wear any flags of any other nations. That is just me. Some others have. I have been able to build an extremely strong bond. But on the same token I have never seen any of my partners here wear a US flag yet.
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I personally have seen this alot when we are deployed and i think in a way its good for the men and morale. So long as its in good taste and not offensive i would not see an issue with it.
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now reading above i would never EVER condone wearing any FLAG other than that of the United States of America but additional patches i don't see a problem with.
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Improvise, adapt, overcome, these are traits of good leadership, even if they break the Uniform regs. In War, rules have to be bent to get the mission done.
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I understand the regs but my opinion may be different here. It depends. How visible are you? Are you in Kabul, Bagram or Kandahar? Or are you at some remote and unknown FOB? Are the patches disrespectful to anyone? A little bit of relaxation goes a long way for morale when experiencing a hardship. There isn't a single person on this planet that is 100% by the book 100% of the time. If they say they are don't trust them.
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I see where you are coming from with this. But keep in mind a Soldier from Alabama might put on a Confederate Flag as he is from the south. Another soldier from the New England Area might take offensive to it. How do you judge what is offensive or not. There are some patches out there that should not be worn. It is a slippery slop.
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Well, perhaps the solider from New England needs to get over himself and stop being such a thin-skinned pansy. If they get offended by a rebel flag, they need to take themselves out of a war zone ASAP. I'm sick and tired of people whining about being offended. If a particular patch hurts good order and discipline, the commander (or First Sergent) can tell them to change it... problem solved, problem staying solved.
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MSG Morgan Fiszel, CPCM, CFCM
You totally missed my point. That's ok though, I wouldn't expect better from you.
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If the C.O.C. approves there should be no issue. If my unit approves of patches I would wear a funny one, for morale. Nothing heals pain faster than laughter.
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I can say I have never seen a unit command do that. It could happen but I wouldn't hold my breath.
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This picture looks photo shopped. that being said, a U.S Soldier should only be wearing a U.S. patch.
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It is. It was a recreation of an event that may or may not have happened in the said country or a country nearby, not limiting any other nation, for the purpose of demonstration for the topic.
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Are we talking about wearing another nation's flag on our uniform sleeve, or are we talking about wearing "motivational" patches on our kits? Two totally different things if you ask me.
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It really encompasses both. You are not allowed to wear any unauthorized patches on any military uniform. If you don't enforce this regulation you will be inviting chaos to your unit. It may or may not happen. But if you wear a mechanic patch and think it is cool and then another soldiers wears a confederate flag on his kit then who are you to tell him to take off his unauthorized when you are wearing one. Even worse what if a fight happens over the confederate flag and a soldier is hurt. I can guarantee that the soldier that was wearing the confederate flag will say that it can where patches because his section leader does. What motivates you may not motivate others. To avoid this we ban all unauthorized patches.
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...and the PC police go rampant. I still believe a kit and a uniform are two different things. If the Command climate is such to allow question about what right and wrong is, then you have bigger problems than a "motivational" patch.
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At no time should a US military personnel ever wear a Allied patch. No matter what the circumstances are. You are in the United States military period. I understand trying to bond with allied nations but that isn't the way to do it.
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My guys had different random patches but I only allowed them to be worn under their pocket, out of sight. If they wanted to show someone, that was ok. But then it was back under wraps. As for other countries and us displaying their flag on our shoulder, I believe that is a no go. We are already there in support of their mission and country, there should be no need to display their flag on our uniform.
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