Posted on Aug 16, 2021
What are your feelings as the Taliban reclaim Afghanistan after 20 years of US involvement?
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I can't say I'm surprised that this is all happening. Right now I'm just sad and frustrated.
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Operation Enduring Freedom (OEF) - Afghanistan
Operation Enduring Freedom (OEF) - Afghanistan
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"Those who fail to learn from history after doomed to repeat it." —George Santayana
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I deployed in 08 with the knowledge that this was going to be a pointless and futile war. I had to meet and spoke with many locals in the areas because I am a student of culture. I wanted to really know how they felt about us being there, how long we were there and how they would react to us leaving. I got a lot of negative feed back, mainly that they didn't want us there and wished we would leave. But they were too afraid of the wrath of our government. A few chiefs actually said "it was more stable and least harmful with the Taliban there. They didn't kill, maim, or destroy as much as Al Qaeda did or the US troops that couldn't act right.
I personally witness many different actions that our "solders" did over there to the locals and how much they really cared about life, or bridging the caps of our two nations. I watch guys take bribes from the enemies to give the gas, I seen our guys die because they stopped treating as a war zone and more of their personal playground. Shooting at people randomly for fun and didn't care if they hit anyone.
Sadly, I predicted that the Taliban would take back over back after we leave. They had control before we were there and would be taking back after we left. I knew this in 08 and I'm surprised anyone who has been there, didn't know that or cared.
Honestly, how I feel about the situation is that it was easily predictable and that it's another failed campaign. Just as the one my father fought in while he was in Vietnam. I many more stories to share as I was all over the east of Afghanistan.
I personally witness many different actions that our "solders" did over there to the locals and how much they really cared about life, or bridging the caps of our two nations. I watch guys take bribes from the enemies to give the gas, I seen our guys die because they stopped treating as a war zone and more of their personal playground. Shooting at people randomly for fun and didn't care if they hit anyone.
Sadly, I predicted that the Taliban would take back over back after we leave. They had control before we were there and would be taking back after we left. I knew this in 08 and I'm surprised anyone who has been there, didn't know that or cared.
Honestly, how I feel about the situation is that it was easily predictable and that it's another failed campaign. Just as the one my father fought in while he was in Vietnam. I many more stories to share as I was all over the east of Afghanistan.
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Everyone online wants to characterize the fall of Kabul as an American military defeat. It is not. The United States has no vested interest in Afghanistan. We didn’t go overseas to found a nation over there. We went overseas to avenge 9/11. (See attached news clip.) So, maybe we should stop amplifying the attention-seeking figure lamenting “It was all for nothing!” Osama bin Laden is dead.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/sns-worldtrade-taliban-chi-story.html
https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/sns-worldtrade-taliban-chi-story.html
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Frankly, I could care less about that sentiment….
I remember sitting in my company’s rec room in Alaska watching the towers come down. We spent the next 3-4 months on lockdown behind barbed wire in the barracks. I remember standing guard at a local power plant (because they were afraid of attacks on other critical infrastructure facilities) — walking patrols in the nighttime snow carrying nothing but ax handles (because active duty on American soil couldn’t carry live ammunition).
There is NOTHING immature or innoble about killing the bastard who murdered 2,996 unarmed American civilians that day — eliminating the threat he posed to the world.
What happened subsequently was that Runsfield tossed the Powell Doctrine out the window (because he so desperately wanted to go after Saddan Hussein) and we allowed mission creep to cloud the clarity of our goal.
However, make no mistake about it. We went to war to kill Osama bin Laden. We gave the Taliban an ultimatum and they refused. But, we got him anyway.
There is no “loss” there.
I remember sitting in my company’s rec room in Alaska watching the towers come down. We spent the next 3-4 months on lockdown behind barbed wire in the barracks. I remember standing guard at a local power plant (because they were afraid of attacks on other critical infrastructure facilities) — walking patrols in the nighttime snow carrying nothing but ax handles (because active duty on American soil couldn’t carry live ammunition).
There is NOTHING immature or innoble about killing the bastard who murdered 2,996 unarmed American civilians that day — eliminating the threat he posed to the world.
What happened subsequently was that Runsfield tossed the Powell Doctrine out the window (because he so desperately wanted to go after Saddan Hussein) and we allowed mission creep to cloud the clarity of our goal.
However, make no mistake about it. We went to war to kill Osama bin Laden. We gave the Taliban an ultimatum and they refused. But, we got him anyway.
There is no “loss” there.
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I said it once before, Ill say it one last time, get all the women and children out, and turn it into a glass plate.
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SPC Jeff Stassin
You must be one of those special millennials. No wait... your the self entitled American to go and say something like that, Or you can't read and comprehend, Or you may be a Veteran that experience a traumatic event that make you think so ignorantly, there is help out there for that you know.......BUT
To know that you support pedophilia by being one of those douche bags that aren't concerned for the way kids are treated around the world makes you no better than the assholes doing it. So if and when your sons or daughters are being raped, will it still be "No concern of Yours". But Way to show YOUR TRUE COLORS. Do me a favor and stay away from all small kids here in the U.S., I wouldn't want you to witness any children being brutally attacked for fun or perversely raped out of pleasure from someone f***ed in the head, cause you'll be the guy filming saying ...." IT'S NO CONCERN OF MINE"...... Maybe you should do more research before opening your worthless mouth. Then you could reach down and pretend to grab the balls you wish you had. My reference may have been slightly out of line in the "nuclear reference" but after the glass plate cools the women and children could go back and live without fear of idiots for at least a decade or so.
To know that you support pedophilia by being one of those douche bags that aren't concerned for the way kids are treated around the world makes you no better than the assholes doing it. So if and when your sons or daughters are being raped, will it still be "No concern of Yours". But Way to show YOUR TRUE COLORS. Do me a favor and stay away from all small kids here in the U.S., I wouldn't want you to witness any children being brutally attacked for fun or perversely raped out of pleasure from someone f***ed in the head, cause you'll be the guy filming saying ...." IT'S NO CONCERN OF MINE"...... Maybe you should do more research before opening your worthless mouth. Then you could reach down and pretend to grab the balls you wish you had. My reference may have been slightly out of line in the "nuclear reference" but after the glass plate cools the women and children could go back and live without fear of idiots for at least a decade or so.
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This saddens me, proud of all of you who served in Afghanistan, out by God standing. What gets me is the Commander in Chief is like the one when five of our brothers who got ambushed in Chattanooga TN, it's no big deal to them. I hope the best every girl and their family. Opt desert shield/Storm Vet.
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I'm very pissed at our govt,not for getting out but taking nineteen and a half years to do it plus all the lives lost guys maimed and the countless thousands of dollars wasted that could have been spent on our own people
They. ( Govt) did not learn a darn think from nam.
Ex SGT D.I. may 66 thru may68
They. ( Govt) did not learn a darn think from nam.
Ex SGT D.I. may 66 thru may68
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Reminds me of the 75 pullout from Saigon. I feel bad for the civilians left there
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