Posted on Nov 24, 2015
SSG Byron Hewett
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Awards: What awards are appropiate to give for retirement and what would a reason for and why an award and a retirement cermony or both be denied a SM when they have a clean record of service. I ask because this happened to my friend then they were also denied a flag. the only things that were received were the retirement certificates in the mail from the department of the Army and their Brigade.
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PO1 William "Chip" Nagel
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I don't know. All I can comment on is what I got after 21 years. MSA from Commander Naval Security Group. LOA from the President (I would hope so since I retired on His Flagship USS Arkansas CGN-41) and a Shadow Box from my Division that was awesome. The Signalmen Provided a flag that was documented to have flown over the ship when we crossed the Date Line at the Equator and when I became a Shellback. I think that was Adequate.
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LTC David B.
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I got a 3-star coin from my old (joint) unit (no award after 26 years; I refused to write my own), or plaque. No ceremony, no lunch, or going away dinner.....just hand shakes goodbye. I didn't serve to be given awards......I served because of what was in my heart. Just accept that the way we were treated was how NOT to do it right and try to make things better for others.
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PO1 William "Chip" Nagel
PO1 William "Chip" Nagel
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I am a Spook and Naturally Shy and Reserved but Skipper was having none of that. 21 years should be celebrated and we did keep it relatively small for a ship with a compliment of 600 I think I had 100 attending from our ship and few others on the pier. Navy Tradition they Piped Me Ashore and the only time an Enlisted Man gets Bells is when He retires. I got my 2 bells and then those low life bastards took off for one final cruise before they retired the Ship to Glacier Bay. Pecker Heads, I would have loved to have gone to Glacier Bay.
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1SG Civil Affairs Specialist
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I'd hang a lot of asterisks on this, but I think your start point for a retirement award is typically an MSM. You would adjust upwards or down based upon the Soldier's length of service and accomplishments.
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SSG General Services Technician And State Vehicle Inspector
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Some research would need to be done for your friend. I see no reason why he should be denied an award, unless he was flagged, especially for retirement. As far as retirement goes, I think a minimum of an MSM is appropriate with it going higher dependent on rank, stature and what was accomplished.
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SSG Byron Hewett
SSG Byron Hewett
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he medically retired because of injuries in Iraq and not his fault
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SSG General Services Technician And State Vehicle Inspector
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SSG Hewett, you left out some very crucial information in your original post above. All you mentioned was retirement. Your friend did NOT fully retire but was MEDICALLY retired which are two very different yet somewhat similar situations. Reading some of your comments to others, I would have to agree with the AG's decision especially in regards to a flag. I'm not very familiar with the regulations so I can't state for certainty on the flag issue. I do disagree with your friend not receiving at least an award, again unless he was flagged, for his service. Depending on his time in service though, I would have given him at least an ARCOM.
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SSG Byron Hewett
SSG Byron Hewett
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No flags and the army retirement reviewed board told that he was entitled to full benefits and a retirement ceremony and what ever award his unit decided on but should be no less that an ARCOM.
it would take forever to tell his story by posting and would not do him any justice but he is a good guy and did work hard at home and on deployments.
are brigade saw a lot of the "good ol boy system" giving to those in the inner circle and very little to those work hard at doing right and doing it better.
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SSG Jason Trammell
SSG Jason Trammell
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SSG Hewett, that very same thing happened to me, GOOD OLE BOY system that is. I was forced to Retire after 14 yrs service due to a serious neck injury suffered during redeployment from Iraq in Nov 05, brakes failed on my truck and caught on fire, as I was trying to put the fire out tire blew in my face and caused me to receive fusion of C5, C6, C7 vertebrae plus severe nerve damage on my right side, I thought I could make a full recovery but after 3yrs of Phy therapy to build the muscles on my right side I was forced to Retire. I only recieved 20% from the Army during my MEB, and 90 from VA, TBI, PTSD, NECK INJURY and also rated on 17 other issues, but, that's not the point, to many times during my service I seen the Good Ole boy system at work and it really upset me. I believe that I had a very good career and to get a LOA for retiring is a slap in the face, I told them they could keep it. Sorry for the long rant, it's a very touchy subject for me.
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SGT Craig Northacker
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We had a 1SGT who was universally despised because of, well, him. As a parting present we painted a brick gold and put it on his desk as a momento of his tenure. Funny thing was. he took it as a compliment. I wonder if he has it on his mantle now?
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CSM Charles Hayden
CSM Charles Hayden
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It is a hard life! SGT Craig Northacker
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SPC Michael Crosby
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It's been over 20 years since I worked at the Fort Sill Retirement Services Office. Our Office prepared the retirement certificates for every retiring soldier that out processed through our transition point. Every soldier was given the option to participate in the monthly retirement ceremony hosted by the CG with him presenting the certificate and a photographer snapped photos of each presentation (and I assume the soldier received a copy).

Awards were the responsibility of the losing unit and should have been based on the entire service record. The unit was responsible for the award ceremony. The minimum I saw for a SM was an MSM, but most received a LOM.

At the garrison level, we did not present flags back then. This custom may have changed since I left.
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SSG Audwin Scott
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Wow, the service member if being honorably discharged clearly because they are retiring should have to the least received an MSM, for their time in service and their leadership. Why weren't they given a flag is really beyond me. There has to be more to this story that's being told.
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SSG Byron Hewett
SSG Byron Hewett
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beats me I'm at a loss too
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SSG Audwin Scott
SSG Audwin Scott
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SSG Byron Hewett - I suppose the bright side is ,he's getting his pension right?
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SSG Byron Hewett
SSG Byron Hewett
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he is getting one plus full benefits too. I served a number of years with him on the Honor Guard and doing funeral honors and other details.
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SSG Audwin Scott
SSG Audwin Scott
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SSG Byron Hewett - Glad to hear that, Wow he was an Honor Guard also and still they didn't see him deserving of an award!!!SMH!
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SFC Jeff Granger
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I was an admin NCO and made it a point to have transition awards highlighted for the chain of command to see. It would also highlight the failure to recommend such awards, so bring up the question 90 days out as to why the individual was not being recommended. One purpose this served was in the monthly training meetings, we could discuss whether an individual indeed merited a transition award (i.e. Retirement, PCS, ETS) and then, secondly, we could identify the individual whom was responsible for writing that award.
I provided templates and would be available at any time to work on getting awards up to standard -- the goal we had was getting awards approved after all. My Battalion got to a point where we were over 85% approvals on MSM and LOM for retirement awards. This comes from hard work and planning ahead.

Interestingly enough, when I retired myself, I did not receive an award from my unit in spite of an e-mail from the State SGM to the chain of command prompting them. Perhaps efficiency also has its price. I have more than enough awards -- you can see I look rather like a Mexican General in my photo, so am not complaining about that.
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SCPO James Ratcliff
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Retirement from the military is almost entirely ceremonial. In fact, the service member is not actually retiring after 20 years, but is transferred to the inactive reserve force for another 10 years. Retirement ceremonies are normally held at the end of a 20 year career, and gifts are bestowed by the military members comrades. Normally a shadow box,containing the members awards is presented,as well as any additional gifts such as replica anchors, cannons, swords, etc. In the end, it pays to be a strong team member of a unit, for proper, cordial, recognition.
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SSG Byron Hewett
SSG Byron Hewett
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He was permanently medically retired with full benefits and retirement after 6years of active and 18years reserve and being deployed a few times. his medical retirement was for injuries in Iraq.
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SSG Jason Trammell
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I received a LOA when I retired, because my unit was deployed and I was medically retired due to injuries suffer on a deployment that had gotten worse over time, even though I did volunteer to go to Kuwait for 3 months to help 4ID redeploy back stateside after their tour was extended with those same injuries. I was asst Command Financial Advisor for the Battalion, Driver Trainer, Squad Leader. I served for 14 yrs in many different units and Joint Assignments and because someone didn't want to take the time to write my Award, I received a LOA for my service. I have many awards so I didn't even care, even rear Detachment commander was very surprised at the award I recieved, but, I think I was considered a POS because I couldn't deploy. Trust me I didn't want to Retire and I much rather have deployed and did 20yrs.
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LTC Substitute Teacher
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My Guard unit had a presentation planned for me, it was scheduled after my MRD and for some reason I was not told about it. I had to travel 400 miles for drill, however I would have come down for it; had I known about it! They mailed me the plaque! I got an MSM; that came about 6 months later, again got mailed; no ceremony.. Admittedly harder in reserve components since everyone is part time. I think most cases has nothing to do with merit; just poor planning, although some service members may not want the fanfare!
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