Posted on Sep 27, 2017
What can be done to a Soldier who refuses to study for the board because he will be ETSing next year?
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So everyone for the most part is saying don't force the SM, which I agree with, as it isn't mandatory. Tell me this though, why is it then mandatory to counsel an eligible Soldier every month? Sure, give them their monthly counseling and cover that as a point in said counseling along with every other aspect of their performance, but to have to do a separate one every month for that is a stupid and a waste of leaders time but a commom requirement.
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TSgt Christopher Duemmel
Good god! You have to counsel a SM monthly?? Isn’t there enough paperwork going around to waste time on even more that is redundant? Counseling for SM in the Navy and Air Force was either as needed. (Good or bad) or during annual performance appraisals. This sounds more like nagging to me. If the SM doesn’t want to promote, whatever the reason, move on and deal with people that want the assistance. Sometimes SNCOs get involved way too much and don’t let their people breathe. They’re adults, treat them as such.
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Well it's been a year since the original post. Does Sgt Steven Sargent have an update on this SM. I wasn't given the opportunity to study for the 6 board.. It was "Hey, Whitmire, there's a board tomorrow, be there." I got the recommendation, Only question I had trouble with was field sanitation, what body parts should washed daily in the field? My bad, since I was Company FS NCO at the time.
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CSM Charles Hayden Passed 7/29/2025
SGT (Join to see) When my father was in the OH National Guard in the late1920s; the first part of his sanitation requirements were to clean the foreskin of his mount!
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Not everyone is interested or suited to leadership positions. Why force it? Do you really want an NCO who doesn't want to be an NCO?
Are we sure that this is really in the soldier's and military's interest or is there something else at play?
Are we sure that this is really in the soldier's and military's interest or is there something else at play?
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Don’t do anything except mark in his jacket that he is not the kind of closure they want. They obviously have other plans for their future and that future doesn’t include the Army.
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SPC Kevin Ford
That would be a mistake. Just because he isn't ready for leadership now, doesn't mean he won't be in a few years. Presumably there was some reason the SM was probably being considered. Why lock out a potential future leader who the military invested substantial money and time in because local leadership found he wasn't thinking about the same career path at the same as them?
The SM loses, the military loses, just so someone in local leadership can tell himself, "I sure showed him."
The SM loses, the military loses, just so someone in local leadership can tell himself, "I sure showed him."
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SOM board? Nothing really, I would just counsel him and let him know that there is a requirement to study for the board and that even though he is thinking of ETSing his plans may change.
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In Soldier, do you mean E4 and below or NCO. It can result in a Negative Counseling or poor NCOER. The individual still owes it to the Army and themselves to perform well and execute tasks in a professional manner. I, myself, was a young SGT once planning on getting out on my ETS date. I even signed a Declination of Service Statement. My CSM was highly offended and still sent me to the SSG board, which I informed him was regulatory incorrect. Needless to say, there is more to the story and look at me now. It has been 15 years since I signed the statement and adamantly told the Retention NCO I was getting out. I am due to be promoted to Major early in 2020.
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I think if they don't want to work for something that they don't want to do that they shouldn't have to. Leadership's job is to give them the tools for success. Not force somebody's career. Micro management, making a big deal out if things that shouldn't matter, and political correctness is killing retention. When I was at an FTX in 2016 I met a 20 year SPC. He did his job, did what he was told, and was an all around good soldier. What's wrong with wanting to just do your job and keep your head down? He didn't want the responsibility of being an NCO amd all of the crap that comes with it. Why should he have to move up?
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Don't send him/her to the board, give them a counseling statement where they admit they are not interested, and advise them of those ramifications.
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With no effort comes no reward. If during counseling the soldier has expressed no desire to attend, cut bait and move on. He/she may be a great soldier and has the potential to be a great NCO, but if he/she has other plans for their future, then so be it. For every soldier that doesn't want this opportunity, there are 10 more waiting in the wings working hard for it. HooAhh!
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