Posted on Sep 12, 2016
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Every service member is guilty from time to time of violating their branches respective uniform policy. The one that really gets me for some reason is when a top is too short. I can't stand seeing Soldiers walk around in tiny tops.
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PO2 Logistics Specialist (Ls)
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Seeing some one in uniform at events they shouldn't be. For example political campaigns!!!
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GySgt Michael Wardell
GySgt Michael Wardell
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If I see that, the 'ol Gunny in me will come out. Un fucking Acceptable!
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I will never forget seeing a brand new - graduated yesterday Sailor, attending the St. Patrick's Day Parade in Chicago in his NWUs and drinking a beer. I, still only an E3 at the time, lost my mind - yet maintained a level of professionalism as his parents were there and we were in public. He locked up, having no idea what my rank/paygrade was and then immediately blamed his RDCs - "Well, Warrant told me we were authorized to wear these". I looked at his father and said, "Sir, it's a direct violation for your son to be drinking in that uniform or wearing it out in public. You need to get him back to base or in some civi's" - This was before we were authorized to wear NWUs out in town. Regardless, I'll never forget it.
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SMSgt Keith Klug
SMSgt Keith Klug
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Had this happen here in Dayton, two 1Lts were at a Barack Obama rally at Wright State University in uniform. I was still on active duty at the time, and after I approached them and took their photos with my phone, they left in a huff. One actually said I didn't have the right to tell them they couldn't be there in uniform. When I explained to them the problem, they got even more upset, but they left.
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TSgt Kenneth Ellis
TSgt Kenneth Ellis
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I attended a book signing by General Powell. I called to find out if it would be appropriate to wear my Uniform. I was told not to because there may be protesters there. You would not believe the number of officers that were there in full uniform.
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This summer its the new rolled sleeves. Some Soldiers just can't seem to get it right and it looks ridiculous. The usual one for me is female hairstyles and nails. We have a lot of them that think they can just do whatever they want and not adhere to regulations. And when you try and correct them they complain its an EO issue.
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1SG Daniel Foote - respectfully, if you read TB MED 287, you’d realize that not all shaving profiles are the same, and not all conditions that result in shaving profiles are the same.

“CHAPTER 2: PSEUDOFOLLICULITIS BARBAE
2-1, b. Definition. PFB is a common hair disorder characterized by a foreign body inflammatory reaction that is caused by ingrown hairs of the face and beard areas after removal of the hair. It is a chronic papulopustular dermatitis of the bearded area resulting from entry and penetration of the epidermis by the tip of the growing curved hair. Pathogenesis involves anatomic, mechanical, and genetic factors described below.”

This condition, by definition, doesn’t affect the hairs on the head. I’m white. The hair on my head is very straight. The hair on my face is tight and curly. A shaving profile for this condition would only limit the soldier from shaving his face. The soldier would be free to shave his scalp, as his scalp was not the affected area. That is why later in chapter two, TB MED 287 states in part:

“2-8. Summary. ...Any male Soldier determined to have PFB or ingrown hairs of the beard treated by an Army physician, dermatologist, nurse practitioner, or physician assistant may be given an appropriate shaving profile. This beard must be uniform, neatly trimmed, and normally will not exceed one-fourth inch in length. Virtually all individuals with PFB profiles will require profiling of the entire face and neck area, and this determination should be made by an appropriate physician, dermatologist, nurse practitioner, or physician assistant at the nearest medical facility...”

The medical staff will determine the appropriate shaving profile. Meaning there isn’t a standard, one size fits all “Shaving Profile” that you’ve read multiple times in your many years. TB MED 287 is only directly clear that PFB will almost always require profiling of the entire face and neck. Please note that the scalp is missing from that generality, meaning that there is not necessarily a restriction on head shaving if a soldier has a shaving profile

You’re correct that beards can’t be lined up. However, you’re absolutely incorrect that any shaving profile absolutely prohibits any shaving of the head, no matter what. That stated, if you’ve read TB MED 287, please cite the portion that mandates that all shaving profiles also limit shaving of the scalp.

Best of luck
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1SG Daniel Foote
1SG Daniel Foote
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PO3 Jim Disbrow - NOTHING I stated is based on gossip. It's based on me reading MULTIPLE shaving profiles in my military career. It's based on me, personally talking with multiple service members who have medical conditions that prevent them from shaving, so they have shaving profiles. In the Army, the branch I proudly served for 24 years, profiles are written by Medical Doctors and Physician Assistants, not by Corpsmen, not by medics, not by LPNs or even by RNs. If you as a E-4 are allowed to write profiles, so be it. Since you are an EXPERT, and more qualified to have an opinion than a retired E-8, who is an LVN with over 30 years in the medical field, PLEASE explain to me why a service member with a shaving profile, THAT PROHIBITS SHAVING, should be allowed to shave all but a thin line of facial hair? Or even their head. The PROFILE (signed by a Medical Doctor or PA) states NO SHAVING. It does NOT specify any part of the head.
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1SG Daniel Foote
1SG Daniel Foote
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PO3 Jim Disbrow - I'm so glad you think so little of me and my character, even though you haven't taken the time to read what my complaint has been all along: SM who have a shaving profile, and yet they line up their facial hair or shave their head, both things are a violation of their profile AND that their command does nothing about it. If you had read what I've been saying, you would have seen that I am a RETIRED 1SG. I never said I saw this going on WHILE I wore the uniform. You would also have seen that I've been in the medical field, probably longer than you've been alive. If you actually knew me, you'd know that if someone I was responsible for had a profile for light duty, the heaviest thing they were allowed to lift was a pen. However, you wouldn't know that, you just ASSUME I treated my soldiers like crap and used them as stepping stones, instead of taking care of them, because they were the ones who helped me be successful, by THEM succeeding, improving and moving up the ranks. My job in the military was to TAKE CARE of soldiers. I always knew if I did that, everything else would work out. As a RETIREE, working as a contractor for the military, per company policy, I am not allowed to say anything to SMs who are in direct violation of regulations. Meanwhile, PO3, feel free to continue to make negative assumptions about senior NCOs, calling into question their character and decision making, while feeling good about yourself, as you think you are powerful hiding behind someone ELSE's authority and rank, because you are not able to attain your own authority and/or rank.
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1SG Daniel Foote - respectfully, nothing you’ve written is based on TB MED 287.

There isn’t a standard issue ‘shaving profile’. TB MEB 287 specifically differentiates between the hair on the face and the hair on the head. While lining up a beard is a violation of any shaving profile, unless specifically disallowed per each profile, shaving of the head is not.

Commands usually do nothing about a soldier with a shaving profile and a shaved head because there is usually no violation of the profile. (I saw a lot of wacky profiles. ‘No head shaving’ was never one of them. Ever).

Best of luck
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Sort of an opposite where a regulation gets to me.

I HATE the "no hands in pockets" rule. Loathe it. I never know what to do with my hands while standing still. Hate it even worse when it's cold out. I don't see it as unprofessional, and really think the regulation and our professional appearances could do without the rule.
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We would be mortal enemies lol
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SPC Scott Verdin
SPC Scott Verdin
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SPC Robert Patrick Seen this happen alot of times in Germany back in the early 90s
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SPC Scott Verdin
SPC Scott Verdin
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To me it sounds like you're a newly buck SGT who had ROTC training or college or just a spoiled kid. You need to live the old school ways like we did to learn how it is. I've never heard of an NCO crying over something like this. Grow up!!!!!
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