Posted on Jul 1, 2014
SSG Selwyn Bodley
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I'm hearing/reading people saying "I'm old school, therefore..." So out of curiosity's sake, where is that ever-moving line?
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SSG Craig Newton
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If you lived in “temporary” World War II barracks and did PT in fatigues and combat boots.
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SGT Randall Smith
SGT Randall Smith
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Been there and done that. Ft. Ord 1966
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MAJ Montgomery Granger
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What comes to mind is never complaining. Being a mustang officer I know what being a private is, and what doing the jobs no one else wants to do is like. That perspective is priceless as an officer. But Old School isn't necessarily working hard if working smart gets the job done just as well or better. Old School is never telling someone HOW to do a task, but giving someone a task and then letting them surprise you with their ingenuity. Old School means when you're tired, hungry, wet and cold, you drive on in spite of everything else going on around you and inspire others to do the same. Old School is doing it the right way, every time. Old School is never leaving your buddy behind. Old School is knowing, believing in and living the Army Values: Loyalty, Duty, Respect, Selfless Service, Honor, Integrity and Personal Courage. Hooah!
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SFC Ssg Sabin
SFC Ssg Sabin
7 y
Roger that Sir!
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SGT Jeremy Sedeño
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Doing PT in your boots! period! old school!
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SP5 John Kirtley
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There was no PT uniform. We took off our fatigue blouses and wore our boots. When we went to the rifle range, 9 out of ten times we marched. We didn't eat MRE's, it was WWII C-Rations. This was feb-mar. 1968 for basic. In VN it was 'C's also, No bdu's or Acu's, Starched and Ironed fatigues with sewn on patches. The rank pins came around 1970, so that's my idea of " old school". Pre 1974.!!!
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Sgt Anthony Maske
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Old School ... can't forget them Jeeps ... gotta love them jeeps ...
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CPT Earl George
CPT Earl George
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mine was a M151 made in 1959
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PO2 Joan MacNeill
PO2 Joan MacNeill
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A great Bill Mauldin cartoon: Joe (or Willy) is trying to shave. They are using the jeep's radiator water, in their helmet, of course. One says "Run it up the hill again; It still aint hot enough."
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SPC Paul Eiden
SPC Paul Eiden
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The N38A1 was a great vehicle. It was dependable. The M151 Ford replacement with individual rear suspension caused quite a lot of roll overs when taking corners to fast. Because of my fast driving there were bets I would roll one but proved to be the better driver.....
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SFC Leo Augustin
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my example of old school. when i first joined the military we had lay outs, where we lay out our TA-50 for inspections, make sure it was clean and serviceable. after every field exercise and deployments our TA-50 was washed and Direct Exchanged if need be and stored for the next exercise. before i retired i noticed that this was no longer done. i retired and worked at the Central Issue Facility and i noticed soldiers ETS of PCS bringing me equipment that was soiled, thick layers of grease around the collar, when i refused to accept it they would get angry and tell me of their deployments, and field exercises like i was never in the Military. so old school is to clean your equipment after every filed exercise and deployments, DX if need be. new school is to keep using your equipment over and over never cleaning it, and no one holding soldiers accountable for the cleanliness of their equipment. i even had a soldier remove a jacket while in line turning in his equipment and handed it to me and got angry because i refused to accept it, this is the same equipment that will be issued to another soldier take it home and wash it. these are New school, i have many more examples but i think this one is good enough.
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SGT Randall Smith
SGT Randall Smith
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I remember the Saturday morning inspections in the barracks. The CO and 1SGT would come through our bay and stop at a locker, reach up and take down a canteen and open it and turn upside down. It better be empty. Then to another locker and take down a shelter half and open it up. You hoped there were no leaves in it or any other dirt. If one did not pass they after the inspection every one had to get their equipment down and clean it.
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SPC Woody Bullard
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You know your "Analog Old School" if you had a RA or US service number on your dog tags. As a MP
wore the Khaki summer uniform with duty white hat, patent leather gear with .45 Caliber pistol and police baton with spit polished black boots. Wore the old OD green fatigues and the "steel pot" helmet. Qualified with and carried the M-14 rifle two years before being issued the M-16 rifle. Assigned the Vietnam era jeep with mounted M-60 to drive for MP patrol duty. Active duty: 1968-1971
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SPC Woody Bullard
SPC Woody Bullard
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SPC (Join to see) - I only have these photos which were made during the
eight weeks of BCT at Fort Benning. My dad drove up from Florida to visit me on a couple of Sundays and brought a camera. In 1968 we were not allowed to have a camera or any other civilian related items in our possession during those eight weeks of BCT. One guy got himself in trouble when our drill sergeant found his small transistor radio hidden in his foot locker. His girlfriend brought the radio to him on a Sunday visit. He caught a world of schizer from our drill sergeant.
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SPC Woody Bullard - I hope the entire company didn't pay the price for that guy's mistake. We weren't allowed to have any civilian items either in 1978 at Fort Leonard Wood. I fully understand the reasons for that so a trainee isn't distracted. I think when I bought that cheap camera at the PX it was closer to graduation when we were past the dreaded threat stage of being recycled. We were always being threatened with being recycled. I was afraid when I was held over it meant recycled. A few hold overs with me were recycled and one was being sent home. That's worse than being recycled.
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1SG Klayton W. Hayes - I'm sure everybody would be afraid to respond to that question. There could be punishment for the entire company in the form of grass drill or the famous Dipsy Dumpster Detail--a favorite among drill sergeants at FLW. I never had it, but I knew some who did.
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SPC Woody Bullard
SPC Woody Bullard
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SPC (Join to see) - You remember how punishment was handed out in BCT. One trainee screws up and everyone receives extra PT for that one guy's failure.
The guy that screwed up is singled out as the problem but all of us received extra PT because that guy is part of our team and we are being trained to act as a team. When one team member fails the team fails. That is what our drill sergeant, who had served in Vietnam, told all of us trainees. We also had that threat of being recycled held over our heads and none of us wanted that nightmare of starting over at week one. In the fifth week I had a stress fracture of my ankle and a soft cast was put on the ankle. I started hearing that recycle talk and I was able to convince the medical team and my drill sergeant that I could pull through those last three weeks. I have two good friends that served with me in the 558th MP Company over in West Germany who live in Pennsylvania. We still keep in touch with each other via e-mail and phone.
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Sgt Wayne Wood
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You can call a fire mission using a map & compass
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SFC Ssg Sabin
SFC Ssg Sabin
7 y
And be able to do so while calling it in "DANGER CLOSE!"
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MSG John Wirts
MSG John Wirts
7 y
I heard of one from one of my students saying he was calling in a fire mission, he was giving an 8 digit grid coordinate, the gunner called back we use 4 digits this is the New Jersey we wipe out a grid square!
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Sgt Pete Sipperly
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If that constitutes "old school", what arebyoubif you were pre-M-16, used am M-1 in ITR and an M-14 in RVN and ate C-Rats and never saw an MRE...?
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CPT William Jones
CPT William Jones
6 y
There were no field meals in RVN called MRE. they did have a dries in bags ration that was called LURPS for the LONG RANGE PATROL people. no het tab you just added water to the bag and let things rehydrate and ate it.
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
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Prior to Me entering the US Air Force I had been a Cadet at Bordentown Military Institute, in Bordentown, NJ which the training was Army Infantry. There was an active duty Military training group of Officers and NCOs to stationed there to train all of us. Of course the brass on Your uniform, collar brass, belt buckles, hat emblem, side buttons on the service cap. and buttons had to be shined. Thats when Brasso came in and You needed the button boards as shown here to keep the Brasso off the uniform's material. There was also what was called a Blitz cloth, which contained polish but Brasso still worked better. I sure learned how to spit shine My shoes and everything was squared away. Tradition was alive and well in a school that was established in 1881. Constant inspections made good habits that lasted My entire Military career and never faltered from what was learned at BMI on sharp Military appearance both in the USAF and also in a civilian Police Dept which also required proper haircuts, uniforms, spit shined shoes. Some things just stay with You.
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