Posted on Jul 1, 2014
SSG Selwyn Bodley
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I'm hearing/reading people saying "I'm old school, therefore..." So out of curiosity's sake, where is that ever-moving line?
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PO1 Michael Fullmer
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Old School... to me...as a senior petty officer... it means following the rules/regs and not caring whether or not a decision makes the questioning junior happy or not. I have seen to many times juniors questioning directions from their seniors, because they were not prepared or didnt want to perform an assigned task or follow a specific order because they simply didnt want to. At what point does one "cave" on this sort of crap? Since the end of my time in the service...I still work for the DoD...I have seen political correctness take over in a way I see seriously degrading our military. My opinion of political correctness is that it is a load of Bovine Fecal Matter, and used by both males & females to try and circumvent their way around what they are told. Threats of EEO/harassment complaints, in order to get what they want, and rather than fight it their seniors just give in rather than fight or risk their reputations being sullied even by false accusations. I hope this makes some type of sense?
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PV2 Abbott Shaull
PV2 Abbott Shaull
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Yes it is crazy how people have used it to get out of stuff. We signed up for the job. No matter if we like the job or not, unless it unlawful order, we have no option but to perform it. It called respect for the person who gave the order. They were asking may you, they were telling you to make it happen. It doesn't matter that most Officers and many NCOs are ticket punchers mainly more worried about their next assignment and next class they can take to get the next promotion. Get rid of their problem children that they don't want to deal with instead of trying to counsel them and showing how to be better troop by example.
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SGT Gabriel G.
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I had BDUs, look how old school I am.
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SSG Selwyn Bodley
SSG Selwyn Bodley
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Who would have thought???
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MSG John Wirts
MSG John Wirts
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I hat Fatigues(pickle suit) newby.
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SCPO Emergency Management Director
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca And realizing that the M16 that was made by the lowest bidder also had parts built by Mattel, who built the toys you played with as a kid.

CMSgt James Nolan I remember going to the travel office to get our advances for per diem and travel. No such thing as a GTCC.

I feel I am old school, there are not a whole lot of us around that have a Southwest Asia Service Medal and Liberation of Kuwait Medal.

Going to the supply warehouse at least twice a year to inspect your 782 gear.
Being able to drink in the club on base, even if you were not of age outside the gate.
Flying in a C130, C141 or C5 wherever we went, none of this commercial flying like today.
We were issued the actual winter weather parka (with the furry hood), I did not like giving that back when I transfered.
You still smoked inside, and that included the hospital.
Air conditioning? What was air conditioning?
Wearing those ugly "chocolate chip" desert BDU's with huge collars, and doing a drug deal as soon as possible to get the tri-colors.
While deployed standing in line with everyone else to make a phone call home, "over".
Going to Dhahran with 5 C-Bags full of #10 coffee cans, and coming back with 3 aircraft pallets full of equipment we needed.
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PV2 Abbott Shaull
PV2 Abbott Shaull
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You know the further down I read, the more true it sound, and two of the last three sounded so much how the military I was in really worked. It wasn't always pretty, we always laughed when we see in TV and movies, or read in books, but you can't make this stuff up sadly.
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MSG John Wirts
MSG John Wirts
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I flew in C47, C97, C141, CH47(shithook), and I first joined in 1962.
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SSG Programmer Analyst
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Can some one tell me when they stopped bayonet training in basic? I had some new soldiers ask me if I used bayonets in basic. I thought this was still being done. There is something about running through the woods with a sharp piece of steel strapped to the end of your rifle stabbing anything that moves that seems like a rite of passage. It also helped to weed out the weaker soldiers.
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1SG Michael Blount
1SG Michael Blount
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SSG (Join to see) - So far as I know, RBT is still taught at BCT. We teach it at FJSC and I know it's taught at FLW. It might have been temporarily dropped from the POI when they were just trying to get Privates through to AIT, thence to deploy.
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PV2 Abbott Shaull
PV2 Abbott Shaull
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I know when I went to Benning the Bayonet course was close due to being redone at the time, the next cycle or two it was back open.
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PO3 Brendan "Smitty" Smith
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Personally, I think "old school" is more of a state of mind, rather than a matter of dates. I think if you care more about getting the job done right and less about power point presentations, you're old school. If you don't mind getting your Crow tacked on (you have to make sure it doesn't fly away after all) you're old school. If you don't get your boxers in a bunch over a joke, you're old school. If you stand up for what's right, even when it's not convenient, you're old school. If you care more about speaking the truth, rather than politically correctness, you're old school.
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PO3 Brendan "Smitty" Smith
PO3 Brendan "Smitty" Smith
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Thanks Senior Chief.
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PO3 Purchasing Manager
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I dunno about old old school but I had a Chief who went to boot camp with Noah. So I knew an old school sailor at least. Oddly as prisoner escorts we wore those steel pot helmets painted a real pretty white. The Navy was probably the last holdout for those.
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CPT Armor Officer
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Reading a lot of posts on this topic and I would agree that it is an evolving term. When the Army changes uniforms again (hopefully soon) then the ACU generation will be "old school." I still have many sets of BDUs laying around! My dad came enlisted in 1972 as a field artilleryman and retired a LTC in 2001 (SDARNG) but didn't ever get mobilized except for a pretty cool exercise where they took his battalion (he was the S4 so very involved with the deal) of howitzers to South Korea for a month long FTX in '88. These days, man, with all the deployment activity and combat, well, my brother (E6) and I (O3) have seen a lot more ground than our father ever did and we still don't have the time in service he did (combined). We have active duty and National Guard time but yeah, Africa, Kuwait, Korea, Iraq, all sorts of duty stations across the US.
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PV2 Abbott Shaull
PV2 Abbott Shaull
11 y
Now was he National Guard the entire time?
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My dad? Yes, except for the schools he went to (basic, AIT, OCS, CCC, CGSC, etc). He was always National Guard. My brother and I have more "points" but dad spent more time under the ID card at least. The sort of sad thing is, and I'm still trying to figure it all out, is that my dad doesn't qualify for any VA benefits apparently. 30+ years in the Guard but doesn't have a qualifying active service record. Not that most of us can just walk in the VA and get care.
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SGT 25 L/U Instructor
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For me, old school means "Tough/Hard-ass Army." Everything seems to have gotten softer and softer throughout the years. I don't believe in stress cards, cell phone privileges, or these new barracks for IET soldiers. Other than the technology we train with, I don't see any reason for the way the "new army" is. When you hear a SSG complain that she has to share a barracks room with 3-4 other females *gasp* instead of staying in a hotel off post for a week long Conference/Dining In... Or that the other trainees in Ft Benning took video with their cells phones of your brother doing a power slide in a Bradley... Or not being able to punish your soldiers with push ups? Yea, that's new school and I'm not into it.
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MSG John Wirts
MSG John Wirts
11 y
I don't know how these new recruits will act if they ever get captured and lose their cell phone privileges! (GASP)
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PV2 Abbott Shaull
PV2 Abbott Shaull
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You can't punish you troops with push-ups anymore. What is up with that. It called reinforncement for a reason. You know E-6 on up sharing a room with other senior enlisted personnel might seem strange and foreign to them, but get over it. I don't believe trainees should have their cell phones while they are at training, period. They are their to train, the phones should be left at the barracks period. Back when I went through, if we had one it was turned and we didn't get it back until we left, 3 + months later.
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MSG Brad Sand
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Polishing boots might be a start...or shoes for that matter?
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CSM Christopher St. Cyr
CSM Christopher St. Cyr
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And brass
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MSG Brad Sand
MSG Brad Sand
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CSM Christopher St. Cyr

I was able to make some good money polishing brass...Staybrite will be the end of us all.
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SGT Richard Jacobs
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Basic with an M-14, shelter halves, Mummy fart sacks, spit shined boots/low quarters, white name tags, US/RA, PCPT, ..............
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MSG John Wirts
MSG John Wirts
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Basic with pre alice web gear, aluminum canteens and cups, qualified with a worn out WWII M-1 garand, White and Black name tapes, Black and Gold U.S. ARMY tapes, AUS for draftees serial number started with US, voluntary enlistment Regular Army started with RA, if a person was drafted then he enlisted he had a hybrid serial number US numbers would start with a 55 as an example. RA would start with a 19 for example. If a person was drafted the serial number was assigned at the time of draft. if he then enlisted the serial number went from US 55 to RA 55, some people looked down on these "converted' draftees. The serial number never changed but the prefix did, I joined as an RA, at ETS I converted to ER for enlisted reserve, then when I , joined the Air National Guard I became an AF, then I joined the Army National guard and became a NG, if serial numbers were still in use when I joined the Army reserve I would have become an ER again.
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